I don't have a dual-layer drive, can I install Tiger or Leopard?
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Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, and Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard come on what appear to be larger than 4.7 GB discs. This does not mean you need a dual layer drive to install them. Some Macs capable of installing Tiger or Leopard came with a built-in CD-RW, or CD-ROM drive. For those a compatible Firewire DVD drive for booting Mac OS X can work instead of replacing the internal drive. Tiger also came in a limited edition Media Exchange Program CD installer package, which you may be able to find in the open market. The limitation for each is dependant on other hardware:
1. If your Mac shipped new with no Firewire, you may be able to install Tiger a special third party addon software known as XPostFacto.
2. If your Mac shipped new with less than 867 Mhz built-in processor (including dual processor 800 MHz or less), you may be able to install Leopard with a special third party addon software known as Leopard Assist.
3. If your Mac shipped with a processor upgrade card installed, and #2 is true, a firmware update may be available from the processor upgrade card vendor that allows Leopard's installation.
4. Tiger needs at least 256 MB of RAM.
Leopard needs at least 512 MB of RAM.
If you have a lot of dashboard widgets, you may need to increase RAM to improve performance on either operating system. The RAM needs to follow Apple's specs to ensure smooth operation. Only get RAM with a lifetime warranty.
5. Officially you need for Tiger:
"At least 3 GB of free disk space; 4 GB if you install the XCode 2 Developer Tools" from: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1514
And officially for Leopard you need:
"9 GB of available disk space or more" from http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3759
However, I would add to that if your hard drive doesn't have at least 15% of the drive free in addition to that, you may experience significant slowing down in the operating system function. This number has been arbitrarily discovered by many users.
6. When installing Tiger or Leopard, if your machine shipped with Panther (10.3) or earlier, be sure to get the retail Tiger or retail Leopard.
The Tiger installer is a san serif gray and white X with a spotlight on the center of the X on a black background.
The Leopard installer is a san serif black and gray X on a pink galaxy centered on a black background.
This is the 1st version of this tip. It was submitted on Dec 23, 2009 by a brody.
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Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, and Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard come on what appear to be larger than 4.7 GB discs. This does not mean you need a dual layer drive to install them. Some Macs capable of installing Tiger or Leopard came with a built-in CD-RW, or CD-ROM drive. For those a compatible Firewire DVD drive for booting Mac OS X can work instead of replacing the internal drive. Tiger also came in a limited edition Media Exchange Program CD installer package, which you may be able to find in the open market. The limitation for each is dependant on other hardware:
1. If your Mac shipped new with no Firewire, you may be able to install Tiger a special third party addon software known as XPostFacto.
2. If your Mac shipped new with less than 867 Mhz built-in processor (including dual processor 800 MHz or less), you may be able to install Leopard with a special third party addon software known as Leopard Assist.
3. If your Mac shipped with a processor upgrade card installed, and #2 is true, a firmware update may be available from the processor upgrade card vendor that allows Leopard's installation.
4. Tiger needs at least 256 MB of RAM.
Leopard needs at least 512 MB of RAM.
If you have a lot of dashboard widgets, you may need to increase RAM to improve performance on either operating system. The RAM needs to follow Apple's specs to ensure smooth operation. Only get RAM with a lifetime warranty.
5. Officially you need for Tiger:
"At least 3 GB of free disk space; 4 GB if you install the XCode 2 Developer Tools" from: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1514
And officially for Leopard you need:
"9 GB of available disk space or more" from http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3759
However, I would add to that if your hard drive doesn't have at least 15% of the drive free in addition to that, you may experience significant slowing down in the operating system function. This number has been arbitrarily discovered by many users.
6. When installing Tiger or Leopard, if your machine shipped with Panther (10.3) or earlier, be sure to get the retail Tiger or retail Leopard.
The Tiger installer is a san serif gray and white X with a spotlight on the center of the X on a black background.
The Leopard installer is a san serif black and gray X on a pink galaxy centered on a black background.
This is the 1st version of this tip. It was submitted on Dec 23, 2009 by a brody.
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Re: I don't have a dual-layer drive, can I install Tiger or Leopard?
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Hi a brody,
Maybe it's my training that states to focus on what we can do, but I'd suggest changing the double negatives to positives. Let me know as that does leave out the "if and only if" implication of the "can't" statements which you may want to keep.
Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, and Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard come on what appear to be larger than 4.7 GB discs. This does not mean you need a dual layer drive to install them. Some Macs capable of installing Tiger or Leopard came with a built-in CD-RW, or CD-ROM drive. For those a compatible Firewire DVD drive for booting Mac OS X can work instead of replacing the internal drive. Tiger also came in a limited edition Media Exchange Program CD installer package, which you may be able to find in the open market. The limitation for each is dependant on other hardware:
1. If your Mac shipped new with no Firewire, you {color:red}may be able to{color} install Tiger {color:red}with{color} a special third party addon software known as XPostFacto.
2. If your Mac shipped new with less than 867 Mhz built-in processor (including dual processor 800 MHz or less), you {color:red}may be able to{color} install Leopard {color:red}with{color} a special third party addon software known as Leopard Assist.
3. If your Mac shipped with a processor upgrade card installed, and #2 is true, a firmware update may be available from the processor upgrade card vendor that allows Leopard's installation.
4. Tiger {color:red}needs{color} at least 256 MB of RAM.
Leopard {color:red}needs{color} at least 512 MB of RAM.
If you have a lot of dashboard widgets, you may need to increase RAM to improve performance on either operating system. The RAM needs to follow Apple's specs to ensure smooth operation. Only get RAM with a lifetime warranty.
5. Officially you need for Tiger:
"At least 3 GB of free disk space; 4 GB if you install the XCode 2 Developer Tools" from: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1514
And officially for Leopard you need:
"9 GB of available disk space or more" from http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3759
However, I would add to that if your hard drive doesn't have at least 15% of the drive free in addition to that, you may experience significant slowing down in the operating system function. This number has been arbitrarily discovered by many users.
6. When installing Tiger or Leopard, if your machine shipped with Panther (10.3) or earlier, be sure to get the retail Tiger or retail Leopard.
The Tiger installer is a san serif gray and white X with a spotlight on the center of the X on a black background.
The Leopard installer is a san serif black and gray X on a pink galaxy centered on a black background.
An Apple user since 1981 Mac OS X (10.6) -
i have never done a backup; i do not have an external hard drive;
do i need to do a backup before i upgrade/install snow leopard?Most commonly used backup methods
OS X 10.4/10.5 need to upgrade, 10.6.8 ok still
https://discussions.apple.com/community/notebooks/macbook_pro?view=documents -
Tower only has CD Drive, can't install Tiger DVD
Obviously I could go buy an external DVD Drive. This was the answer I got when asking Applecare if there was a way for me to install my Tiger DVD onto my Powermac G4 Tower with only a CD Drive. I know there are other ways around this problem. I called the Apple Store, and they informed me that Apple will send a CD version that I can install for a nominal fee. This is better.
But I searched some more and someone mentioned that I could take certain files from the Tiger DVD (on another computer with a DVD drive) and burn them to a CD and just use that.
Is this possible? If so, which files are necessary to achieve this?
Thanks in advanceHello Brad.
I don't know about taking certain files only from the Tiger DVD and burning them to CD - not sure how anyone made this work so your best options are as follows:
Use the Media Exchange Program to exchange your DVD media for CD media or if you have access to another Mac with Firewire and a DVD drive, you can connect the two computers via Firewire Target Disk mode which will allow you to install Tiger from the Mac with the DVD drive on the Mac without. -
Don't have Apple original DVD drive. Now install disks won't boot. What????
The past 3-4 hours, I have tried installing 10.5 (first) 10.4 (as 10.5 failed) from original discs in perfect shape without success.
After seraching help on the net, it seems as if Apple in its incomprehensive wisom is blocking such attempts if the user has been illoyal enough to purchase and install a non-Apple driver.
At http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2956 Apple says:
"Is this this original optical drive? If you have issues, make sure you're using the original Apple optical drive that was included with your computer (CD-ROM, DVD-ROM, DVD-RAM, CD-RW, Combo drive or Super Drive). This is only a concern in three scenarios: if you have replaced your original Apple drive with a non-Apple drive, if you have added a non-Apple drive to the second bay of a Power Mac G4 model with two drive bays, or if you are attempting to install from an external drive."
No, I bought a Pioneer DVD driver (yes, it reads DL). So does that really mean that I cannot make a new installation? And if so, are there any workarounds?Yes, it shows and mounts. What happens is this:
When trying the "normal" way: inserts the disk, it mounts and opens a window. I click button "install". Computer restarts, starts reading the DVD, but after 10 seconds, it spits it out from the DVD driver and boots from regular system, already installed on hard drive.
When selecting the installation disc from the Startup Disks in the system preferences: Computer restarts, starts reading the DVD, but after 10 seconds, it spits it out from the DVD driver and boots from regular system, already installed on hard drive.
When booting with C key down: starts reading the DVD, but after 10 seconds, it spits it out from the DVD driver and boots from regular system, already installed on hard drive.
When trying Opt key down on boot: starts reading the DVD, but after 10 seconds, it spits it out from the DVD driver and only optional system remaining to boot from is the regular system on the hard drive. -
17" G4 Powerbook no "Dual Layer" drive...
A friend asked a question this morning that I did not have the answer to;
"Can a G4 Powerbook's non dual-layer DVD drive read a dual layer install disc?"
We discussed it for a bit and then I decided to turn to the minds on the forum here. I viewed the post by - "a brody" from Dec. 23, 2009 - but no specific answer jumped out at me concerning this particular question.
a brody - "I don't have a dual-layer drive, can I install Tiger or Leopard?" (Dec 23, 2009)
The drive in question is a Matshita DVD-R UJ-845E. This Powerbook was manufactured in 2005. (Forgive me if this has been answered some place else on this forum).
RegardsHi Templeton, Happy Holidays.
Thanks for your response. I was speaking to a qualified person about this before I returned to the forum and saw your answer. We all agree apparently, concerning reading "DL" discs on this type of "SL" drive.
The additional info I got, (concerning any "Apple OS upgrades") was that the "Leopard" OS program series was written as an "interim" OS during the transition period from the older G4 Powerbooks to the newer "re-chipped" Mac computers; thus the Leopard OS disc's ability to be read by the older optical drives found in many of the G4 Powerbooks.
Thanks again! -
I'm just trying to revive my old PowerPC G4/ dual 867MHz 512MB. Unfortunately I am unable to install from disc since my optical drive, although still working, is somehow not able to read the leopard installer. I wanted to try the remote install option but have limited resources and don't have a network where I can have both the Mac desktop and windows laptop communicate. I read somewhere that I can use a crossover cable to connect the two directly. I'm still trying to see if I can get an external DVD-ROM as another option. Any suggestions?
Your Mac doesn't need a crossover cable, it auto-switches...
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2274
But I have no idea how that will help you install from a Windows computer.
If you get an external DVD drive it needs to be Firewire & Mac bootable.
Other solution...
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2274 -
Does my iMac have a dual layer burner?
I'm trying to burn a 155 minute dvd. I only have 120 minute blank dvds.
I'm told I need to buy dual layer dvds but this will only work if I have a dual layer burner.
I have a PIONEER DVD-RW DVRTS09.
Am I good to go?The best way to find out if you have a Dual Layer DVD Burner, is to click then "About This Mac" then Click on More Info, then in the new System Profiler window, on the left hand side select "Disc Burning". Youll be presented with something that looks like this (This is from my 24-inch Late 2006 iMac):
OPTIARC DVD RW AD-5630A:
Firmware Revision: 2CH9
Interconnect: ATAPI
Burn Support: Yes (Apple Shipping Drive)
Cache: 2048 KB
Reads DVD: Yes
CD-Write: -R, -RW
DVD-Write: -R, -R DL, -RW, +R, +R DL, +RW
Write Strategies: CD-TAO, CD-SAO, CD-Raw, DVD-DAO
Media: To show the available burn speeds, insert a disc and choose View > Refresh
What you'll be looking for here, in the DVD-Write section which I've bolded and underlined for quick spotting, if you have -R DL and/or +R DL, those are Dual Layer DVDs that you can write to.
***Be careful as some Macs shipped with Dual Layer Drives (MATSHITA Brand) that only burned +R DL Dual Layer DVDs, meaning you CANNOT burn -R DL Dual Layer DVDs. So make sure you verify that your drive supports the dual layer DVDs that youll be purchasing before you go to the store. -
My iPhone 4S (iOS8) is locked to ex's iCloud account (but to my credit card!). I don't have the password. How can I change it to my new iCloud account?
My phone shows my name plus iCloud old iCloud account. My kids' new iPads show my name plus my new iCloud account. But both accounts show my children as "family" associated with them.
Basically, I need to change the iCloud account on my phone to my new one. But I'm not given that option.
Help and thanks.Hi and thanks. The password on the old iCloud account doesn't work and my ex-husband says he doesn't know what it is -- and that he's not getting emails to reset the password. I tried using the rescue questions and even the birthdate isn't working. I think he's changed it to keep me out, but it's charging my credit card account.
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I don't have my iPhone but how can i get my contacts on my mac?
i don't have my iPhone but how can i get my contacts on my mac?
I suppose you have/had them on your iPhone, but do not have your iPhone with you now.
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When I tap on the to line to add an address sometimes people's names come up that I don't have as contacts. How can I change this setting?
The only way that I know currently know of to remove old or incorrect email addresses from the Mail app is to reset the iPad back to factory defaults, which I assume that you don't want to to. You could try leaving feedback for Apple and maybe one day we'll day be able to edit them : http://www.apple.com/feedback/ipad.html#ipad
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I'm overseas and need to sync my iphone with itunes but I don't have my computer. How can I sync it to my friends computer without losing my music and data?
Why do you need to sync your iPhone with iTunes - for what purpose?
You can transfer iTunes content and photos from one computer only. When transferring iTunes content and photos from another computer, all iTunes content and photos transferred from a different computer will be erased from the iPhone first with a warning message provided beforehand indicating this will occur. -
i tried to install a new os x mountain lion, but the system asked me to provide the apple id and password that was used to buy the os from the apple store online. which i don't have. how do i go ahead to install my new os x on the mC
If you don't have the Apple ID and password, how did you get Mountain Liomn in the first place? Without the Apple ID and password, you'll need to buy it to download it.
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Can you install tiger on a power mac g4 with out a DVD drive if so how, I do have have a 2011 iMac can I use that in target disk mode with a FireWire cable any help would be appreciated
Hello,
You need to put the Tiger Install Disc in the 2011 iMac, boot the 2011 uMac into Target mode...
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1661
Boot the G4 holding the Option or alt key, hopefully the Install Disc in the 2011 iMac will show as a boot choice.
We just want to use the 2011 iMac as a big expensive FW Optical drive, it cannot be installed osing the 2011 iMac itself. -
Hi ALL,
hope you are well.
I can't remember my Answers for the security questions and i can't reset my Security questions because i don't have a rescue mail what can i do?
and i tried calling the security support team and they told me they will send me an instructions how to do it and still got nothing till now.
So please can i have some support.
I'll appreciate your help.
ThanksReset Security Questions
There are several different methods. Try one. If it doesn't work,
then try the next one. Don't try to do everything at once.
Frequently asked questions about Apple ID
Manage My Apple ID
Note: you may need to continue entering false answers to the questions until you trigger the response needed to start making changes. It will take six or nine retries.
Or you can email iTunes Support at iTunes Store Support.
If all else fails:
1. Go to: Apple Express Lane;
2. Under Product Categories choose iTunes;
3. Then choose iTunes Store;
4. Then choose Account Management;
5. Now choose iTunes Store Security and answer the bullet questions, then click
Continue;
6. Sign in with your Apple ID and press Continue;
7. Under Contact Options fill out the information and advise iTunes that you would
like your security/challenge questions reset;
8. Click Send/Continue.
You should get a response within 24 hours by email.
In the event you are unsuccessful then contact AppleCare - Contacting Apple for support and service.
Another user had success doing the following:
I got some help from an apple assistant on the phone. It is kind of round about way to get in.
Here is what he said to do and it is working for me...
a. on the device that is asking you for the security questions go to "settings", > "store" >
tap the Apple ID and choose view"Apple ID" and sign in.
b. Tap on payment information and add a credit/debit card of your preference then select
"done", in the upper right corner
c. sign out and back into iTunes on the device by going to "settings"> "store" > tap the
Apple ID and choose "sign-out" > Tap "sign -in" > "use existing Apple ID" and you
should be asked to verify your security code for the credit /debit card and NOT the
security questions.
d. At this time you can remove the card by going back in to edit the payment info and
selecting "none" as the card type then saving the changes by selecting "done". You
should now be able to use your iTunes store credit without answering the security
questions.
It's working for me ...I just have to put in my 3 digit security pin from the credit card I am using.
Good Luck friends!
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