I'm looking for a new Camileo's firmware release

Hello everybody in this forum.
I own this nice camcorder (with 5.2 CMOS) from five months, and wondering if a new firmware relase is available or not.
I experienced some problems using this device as MP3 player:
1) the "folder navigation" is not possible, so to organize my MP3 collection in the SD card using folders is not allowed, and I'm forced to put all the files in the MP3 folder, with a great confusion when I try to listen two or more albums from different artists.
2) if the MP3's name is too long maybe that Camileo reset itself or simply warn user that the file you trying to reproduce is corrupted. Using a shoorter name may solve this issue.
3) I would like to know the correct way to create a MP3 file fully compatible with the Camileo's firmware (CBR, VBR, 128, 160, 192 kb/s ???).
Please let me know.

Hi mate,
unfortunately there is no firmware update available, so you would have to arrange yourself with the limitations till a firmware update will be released.
Regarding point "3)" from your questions:
I would encode all mp3s you want to listen on the camileo with a fixed bitrate like 128kbs because the quality is medium->good and they dont need so much diskspace. By the way: 128kbps is aa bsolutely standardbitrate, so I think you cannot do anything wrong when keeping them at this BR.
GReets

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