I'm truly smoked about Leopard 10.5.3...

I was just messing around with my laptop about an hour ago and noticed that Leopard 10.5.3 was available. A long download and then a longer installation. Finally after about an hour with my "wheel" spinning and nothing happening, I signed on here with another computer, only to read of problems after problems with this BAD upgrade.
Finally, I decided to get out my install discs and do a restore/reinstallation. About this time I'm ready to start screaming at Apple tech support.
So, I did a hard shutdown and got my discs ready to use. I then powered back up and after SEVERAL more minutes, I got a "blue" screen. So I decided to wait a bit longer and wonder of wonders, my computer booted back up to a normal screen. The Apple icon says I now have 10.5.3. Everything that I've checked seems ok, but I'm holding my breath.
In the future, I will NOT be doing any system upgrades until I read of any problems that them might cause.
IMHO, this update is supremely messed up. If I hadn't done the hard shutdown, I think my pin wheel would have spun all night with no change. How can such an upgrade that runs so badly be released? I started thinking it was looking like a failed Windows installation.
Once again, this is a very bad upgrade procedure and if you haven't done it yet, perhaps you should wait until Apple works out the bugs in the procedure.
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Hi TD
Oh, I'll gleefully admit that it could have been the single user reboot, fsck, verbose reboot, or safe login, all of which I did before the Disk Utility disk check and permissions repair. I use a Mac to avoid digging into why my PC OS doesn't work.
My experience with updates is pretty limited. Perhaps a total of 50 (machine*updates) since I started using Mac OS in 10.3 days. This is the only one so far to cause any concern, and even that only has affected two of the three machines at all and only one with any severity - but I have three more Apples to go (two PPC and one more Intel). Anything I can do to make sure that none of those develop problems, would be good news for me. Having spent several hours on the two problems that affected two of the first three systems that I tried (three of the newest machines and hence, probably, more likely to have been tested) I'd prefer to invest a few hours now in finding out how to avoid having to think after the update
You've way more machines and more experience - but since you haven't had trouble, I want to find out from someone who has, what they now do to avoid it
It may be, as you say, what I do - but I'm using pretty stock apps - iWork, Bento, Microsoft (ptah!) Office 2008, VMWare or Parallels to run Microsoft IE7 and IE8. OpenOffice on some machines. Opera, FireFox. R. Weka. iTunes. GarageBand. My heavier apps are installed in Linux systems elsewhere - so the Macs have trivial loads mostly for UI purposes, light office duty and some thin presentations.
I have spent no time at all on tweaking hidden preferences, and if I don't do it, my supported users won't.
I haven't downloaded and installed anything other fairly standard apps, I think. So if anything else is upsetting the system, then I'd like to know how to know, and what to do about it.

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http://news.cnet.com/2100-1046_3-1023167.html
http://www.9to5mac.com/adobe_apology
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Lloyd Lathrop wrote:
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