I Need a Music Player Suggestion...

I am looking for a music player that will let me play my music like this:
- Play songs randomly out the library.
- If it plays something I like, then I want to be able to hit a key or right-click and add that song to a play list.
- If it plays something I don't like, then I want to be able to move the song to the trash.
- Can go from playing songs out of the library to playing from a play list without having to clear out some master play list and then load the play list I want to play, then load the library back into the master play list when I am done. Music players like Amarok and seemingly most MPD clients make me do this. It is really annoying.
- Won't pull in hundreds of megabytes of dependencies (not using GNOME or KDE).
- Optionally, media keys support. I don't mind binding keys in the window manager I'm using to do this, but if it has media keys support itself, that would be great, because I would still be able to use the media keys in other programs I have open that support them.
Anyone happen to know of any music players that can do this?
Last edited by DevoidOfWindows (2009-06-09 13:44:47)

Play songs randomly out the library.
yes - (for gmpc there is even a plugin, that checks lastfm for similar artists to play those from local library)
If it plays something I like, then I want to be able to hit a key or right-click and add that song to a play list.
i dont really understand this.. if you listen to a song it already IS in playlist, isnt it?
If it plays something I don't like, then I want to be able to move the song to the trash.
O.k. this is not possible with mpd, since it has no direct file access.
Can go from playing songs out of the library to playing from a play list without having to clear out some master play list and then load the play list I want to play, then load the library back into the master play list when I am
done. Music players like Amarok and seemingly most MPD clients make me do this. It is really annoying.
Question: why do you queue your complete library.. thats not what playlists are made for anyway - apart from that mpd will eventually have several playlists, probably in 0.16. From that day on queue support will also work.
Won't pull in hundreds of megabytes of dependencies (not using GNOME or KDE).
- that definately is true for mpd.
Last edited by Rasi (2009-06-09 17:19:45)

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