I use gmail and do not want the apple mail program.

Apple mail keeps popping up.  How do I permanently get rid of it?
Thanks, Norm

Do you use Gmail in Apple Mail or online?
If you use it online and not through Mail, then Mail shouldn't be "popping up" as long it is not open. If it's opening on startup because of the Resume feature you can disable it by going to ~/Library/Containers/com.apple.mail/Data/Library/Saved Application State and deleting that folder.
Note: To get to ~/Library go to your Finder "Go" menu hold the option key to choose "Library".

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