IBM x3950 Fails to boot the instalation disc

So I got hold of this IBM x3950 server with quad Xeon 7150N 's, 2 SAS drives in RAID, it currently runs Debian Wheezy, as a temporarily place holder, and I can't boot the arch installation medium, I ckecked the CD it runs fine on 2 other computers.
While it boots Debian I still get the
MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC
error like below.
So this is the messages during the boot process on arch:
Loading boot/x86_64/vmlinuz......
Loading boot/x86_64/archiso.img...........................ready.
Probing EDD (edd=off to disabl)... ok
early console in decompress_kernel
Decompressing Linux... Parsing ELF... done.
Booting the kernel
[ 0.04999] ..MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC
Then the console is cleared and this pops up:
[ 4.972054] [drm:drm_edid_block_valid] *ERROR* EDID checksum is invalid, reminder is 130
[ 4.972233] Raw EDID:
[ 4.972342] o00 ff ff ff ff ff ff 00 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
[ 4.972469] off ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
[ 4.972596] off ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
[ 4.972723] off ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
[ 4.972850] off ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
[ 4.972976] off ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
[ 4.973116] off ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
[ 4.973245] off ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
[ 5.004910] [drm:drm_edid_block_valid] *ERROR* EDID checksum is invalid, reminder is 130
[ 5.005089] Raw EDID:
[ 5.005198] o00 ff ff ff ff ff ff 00 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
[ 5.005325] off ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
[ 5.005452] off ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
[ 5.005579] off ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
[ 5.005705] off ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
[ 5.005832] off ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
[ 5.005959] off ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
[ 5.006086] off ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
[ 5.006218] [drm:radeon_vga_detect] *ERROR* VGA-1: probed a monitor but no|invalid EDID
:: running hook [memdisk]
:: running hook [archiso]
:: running hook [archiso_loop_mnt]
:: running hook [archiso_pxe_common]
:: running hook [archiso_pxe_nbd]
:: running hook [archiso_pxe_http]
:: running hook [archiso_pxe_nfs]
:: Mounting '/dev/disk/by-label/ARCH_201305' to '/run/archiso/bootmnt'
[ 6.000013] Calgary: DMA error on Calgary PHB 0x0, 0x02020000@CSR 0x00018000@PLSSR
At this point the system hangs and spouts gibberish to the console and then the system shuts down and I get a red LED on the server, indicating there's critical logs available in the system log. Unfortunately I can't find anything of relevance in there.
For odd reasons when I first boot the Arch CD and after it crashes ( the system does not physically shut down, the fans and everything still spin, apparently it always does that when it's plugged in to the power socket ) and then proceed to boot my Debian installation I get identical errors and it crashes. I have to unplug it for a minute or two and then it will boot just fine.
It's the first time I had an encounter like this so help would be much appreciated. Posting this late in the night so I'll have a look at it later tomorrow.

Hi Paolo,
Thks for the reply. I have made some success since I posted. I actually downloaded Ubuntu & created a boot up disk. I have managed to successfully load this alongside the Vista (which doesn't work) & everything seems OK - so all I can say is that it must be somekind of s/w issue or perhaps damaged sectors or something on the Vista install.
I am happy to use Ubuntu - it will be interesting to see if I have to do anymore reformats in future...
Thks, John

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