IBook G3 start-up issues, possible logic board failure?

For the past few months the screen of my iBook G3 has been skipping and flashing and jumping at random times, quite often. If I move the screen to and fro it usually stops. I assumed this was just a bad connection with the LCD display and have basically ignored it.
Today, however, my screen froze completely while I was running Safari. Even the finder was frozen so I had to turn off the iBook by holding down the power button. When I restarted, it went through the usual start-up motions but after the grey start-up screen, it went to a blank blue screen. Only the mouse's cursor showed up at this point and nothing else. I was not asked to log in. Nor could I see my desktop.
I was just now browsing this board and found that the jumping screen issue I've been dealing with may have been logic board failure. Could this new blank blue screen problem also be a symptom of that? Or is it part of an overall hard drive failure?
The computer is quite old. I bought it in early 2002 and there's only about 2GB of space left on it at this point. So is it possible that the hard drive has crapped out?
I'm trying to restart right now in safe mode but it's been stuck at the grey start-up screen with rotating dial for about 40 minutes. Don't know what to do and I'm a little distraught at the idea of possibly having lost all of my files.
Any advice is appreciated. Thank you very much.

Hi, Christopher. Welcome to Apple Discussions.
Try booting into Safe Mode. This will take quite awhile longer than a normal startup because it does a file check and repair of the hard disk.
If this works you will see your normal desktop. Once completely started up in Safe Mode, try to restart normally, and go to Applications > Utilities > Disk Utility. Click on the top hard drive icon in the left sidebar and note the S.M.A.R.T. status at the bottom right of the pane. What does it say?
Select the named boot volume in the left sidebar, ("Macintosh HD" unless you've renamed it). What is the hard drive capacity and how much space remains available on it? Repair permissions on it.
If Safe Mode doesn't work, you will need to try repairing the hard drive from your Tiger Install disc.
Every time you have to do a forced shutdown instead of a normal one, there is a chance of hard drive damage and you should repair the hard drive, either by booting into Safe Mode OR by starting up from the Mac OS X Install Disc by inserting the disc and restarting your computer, holding down the C key as the startup chime is ending. Then click 'Next' at the language screen and choose Utilities > Disk Utility and select the hard drive in the left column. Choose the First Aid tab. Click Repair Disk to test and repair the hard drive.
Once you have repaired the hard drive with either Safe Mode or the Install disc's Disk Utility, then start up normally and repair permissions from Disk Utility in the Utilities folder on the hard drive.
Here's hoping that a little hard drive maintenance will help. Good luck.

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Everyone should write a registered letter to Apple reporting an official complaint:
Apple European Headquarters:
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Apple USA:
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