IBook G3 Upgrades/Panther/Ebay Sale?

Hello,
I am new to the discussion board and have a few questions to ask regarding my ibook G3 Indigo Firewire. A few years ago, my old Gateway finally bit the dust; I was sorta relieved it was time anyways. I needed another computer and my brother had purchased an ibook G3 Indigo Firewire with the original box, paperwork, and CD's. I showed some interest in the iBook, as I needed a computer to replace the Gateway. So, I bought it from him in 2003.
The computer got me through my four years of college, with no worries. However, it is a tad slow. I have been looking at the new macbooks but find it difficult to part with this old ibook. I have been looking through the discussion board for many weeks to determine what may be needed to upgrade this ibook. I have found some answers but still uncertain.
Am I a nut to try to upgrade this old ibook? I understand that even with some upgrades it will never perform as the new macbooks will. However, I have currently been using Tiger 10.4.8 and find it difficult to have more than two applications running at the same time.
So, I am either going to take Tiger off and put Panther on it and just leave it at that OR upgrade the original 10GB hard drive to around an 80GB hard drive and upgrade the RAM to 576MB from the current 320MB OR just put the ibook for sale on Ebay and pray I can find another Apple computer to purchase that is as enjoyable as this old iBook G3 Indigo Firewire.
My dad told me to just leave it alone, don't fix anything if it isn't broken and if the low performance is a bother just put Panther on it or sell it. However, he is not an Apple user nor an enthusiast.
I guess it would be nice to hear from other users in the discussions on any other thoughts, suggestions, or recommendations.
Thanks!

I've had my ibook blueberry for the last couple years now and its been the best laptop i've ever had. It's reliable and the battery life is a good five hours or more. I do have a new intel imac but whenever i got out somewhere, the ibook comes with me. My problem is im going off to university in the fall and i need a computer to bring with me, my friends and family suggest a new laptop, but the ibook still works. My plan is to update the RAM to its max and possibly get a combo drive off ebay, i've already upgraded the harddrive to 40gb.
Personally, i would keep the ibook and upgrade the RAM and Harddrive to the best you can get your hands on and if you aren't to attached to Tiger, put panther on there b/c it seems to work great on my ibook. You can get an airport card for a fair price and a 512mb SO-DIMM shouldn't cost too much more than 100$, the 80gb harddrive would be the most expensive upgrade. The ibook clamshell was a great model and easily has another few years of life left in it, if you start to see that you need more speed however, as previously mentioned, it'd be best to get a new macbook and set the ibook as a backup computer.

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