IBook G4 14" - Mystery Board Piece

I'm fairly sure that my wife's 14" iBook G4 has a faulty DC-in board, so I opened it up just to double check. A piece came out when I opened the shell, labeled "10.000 ||| 4E".
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Should I attempt to reattach this piece?

Hey dlineman,
Well at first I had no clue but there are a lot of them ("y" designation)on this G4 board in my "broken" stock.
I'm looking at all of them under magnification they read: 24.576, 32.768, 10.000, 30.000 so that reminded me of crystal frequencies, probably MHz.
Then I googled KDS Taiwan and got:
http://www.kds.info/html/companyinfo/history/indexen.htm
Daishinku Corp. and they make crystals.
So the answer to your question is yes.
That's an extremely precise crystal oscillating at 10.000 MHz and anything that gets in there would be very bad. I would use a very, very, very thin bead of epoxy around the perimeter of that cap. Make absolutely sure none gets inside and touches that plate or you'd kill that component and probably the iBook. The upside is that if it does go bad it would be relatively easy to replace if you can find the part.
Richard

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