Ibook won't boot up on own or from OS installation CD (need help in Yemen)

Hello,
I'm currently in Yemen for a few months and my ibook seems to have died on me. The country isn't exactly brimming with Apple support technicians so any advice or suggestions people could give me would be really appreciated.
I have an older ibook (dual USB G3 which I bought in June 2001). It has the occasional application or OS freezes, but typically restarting solves these. Yesterday, however, when I tried restarting the computer wouldn't boot up - it would get to the gray start up screen with the apple and spinning wheel and would just sit there with no progress even after an hour. I removed the airport card and extra RAM, but no luck.
I ran the Apple Hardware Check CD, but everything came up clean. I also ran Norton Utilities Disk Warrier and it found Major Errors in some of the directories (I have the list at home if that would help) all of which it said it fixed. However, it wasn't able to complete checking the HD, at one point it tried to find some files and never was able to get any further in the check - it would just sit for hours with no progress. When I tried rebooting the computer on its own it got no further than a gray screen.
At this point I decided it might be easiest just to reinstall the opperating system. I put in the installation disks (OS 10.2.4) and tried booting up from the CD - the boot up was very slow and ultimately (maybe after 10 minutes) instead of a gray screen with an Apple logo it came up with the "forbidden symbol" (i.e. the circle with the slash through it that you see on no smoking signs).
At this point I'm not quite sure what to since it isn't booting up from the installation CD - are there any other tricks I could try or reason why it won't boot up from the CD? I also have a copy of 10.4 installation CD but I'm hesitant to install it just because the ibook is such an old computer and it would require the extra RAM to run it (currently I have 300 something of RAM in the computer). I also have a 20 GB external harddrive with me if there's anyway I could boot up with it.
Three years ago the laptop had major problems and basically died, but went into Apple and seemed to have been fixed and had the logic board replaced. After this point I got a new laptop (which I'm hiting myself for not bringing with me at this point) and haven't really used this computer frequently - maybe 5 to 10 times in the last 3 years, it really is a "spare" laptop. I used it for about a week before coming and it seemed to be working fine.
At this point I'm really open to any suggestions on how to fix and jury rig it to work for the next 3 months (really I just need to be able to use Word and iPhoto) or so as I won't be using it once I get back to the States. Any suggestions or help would be greatly appreciate. Thank you very much!!

Hi, and welcome to Apple Discussions.
Which utility did you use on the iBook? Was it Norton DiskDoctor or Alsoft's DiskWarrior? They are two entirely different things.
Norton DiskDoctor was developed for OS 9. It doesn't recognize OS X as a legitimate operating system, identifies OS X as "errors" on your drive, and sets about "fixing" those errors, really messing things up in the process. (It does this even if you run it in OS 9 on a drive that has OS X on it.)
Apple calls the sign you are seeing when trying to boot from the CD a "prohibitory sign."
Check out this Apple Knowledge Base article on what to do about a prohibitory sign at startup:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106805
Maybe something there will help.

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