ICC profile naming

Is there a way to change an ICC profile to make it more easily found in the list of icc profiles in photoshop. I have a micorsoft 7 system

Agreed!
Some of the manufacturers out there really make it tough to figure out a profile - with Ilford paper profiles probably being one of the worse. You need a translation table to make sure you are picking the right paper profile.
I profile my own papers and can name my profiles to something meaningful and recognizable; Ilford IGGFS13_EPR7880_PSPPn.icc versus ILF_Glossy_7880
Mike

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Failing to apply ICC profiles with xcalib and dispwin

I created two ICC profiles under Windows 7 for my laptop and external display and also two using LPROF.
When I try to activate a profile in xmonad with Intel graphics, nothing happens. I used these commands:
xcalib -d :0 .color/icc/laptop.icc
dispwin -d 0 .color/icc/laptop.icc
xcalib doesn't show any errors. dispwin outputs:
Dispwin: Warning - No vcgt tag found in profile - assuming linear
This applies to all four profiles and both displays.
At least the LPROF profiles do work fine in GIMP when set via its preferences.
Not sure if this is relevant: I quickly looked at gnome-color-manager running Xubuntu. There I opened gcm-viewer and clicked on both of its default profiles and I also didn't see any changes.
Any help appreciated!
Last edited by Markus00000 (2013-02-17 07:57:23)

It's unrelated to MediaTrackers. You can see faint images of what the original images details were. It's almost like the brightness got cranked way down and then it got set to grayscale. I'm obviously not using the camera ICC profile correctly.
ICC profiles are related to "color management". I.e., the process that supposedly allows you to make what you get out of a digital camera look the same as what you see on the monitor and what you see on the printer. Each device has an "ICC profile" to compensate for that device's color "quirks".
Kodak donated some of their color management expertise to Sun for Java (which also explains the bizarre class and variable naming if you look up the ICC_Profile class :-)

PS CS5 Image Display Differs From Used ICC Profile In Win 7

Hi,
on my Windows 7 Ultimate x64 machine, I just calibrated my Dell SP2309W monitor using an i1DisplayPro and basICColor 5, creating a ICC v2 profile (I am aware of the problems under Windows with ICC v4 profiles).
It created the ICC profile and applied it to be used by Windows. I double checked under COLOR MANAGEMENT that the new ICC profile is being used. Although I can see that the new ICC is being used (desktop appearance changes), there are a few issues I am experiencing:
(1.) Windows Photo Viewer
The thumbnails in Windpows Explorer look fine (they DO use the new ICC profile), when I double click a jpeg and open the image it DOES NOT use the new ICC profile. When I click the PLAY SLIDESHOW button (starting the slideshow) in the opened image in Windows Photo Viewer, the images DO use the new ICC profile.
(2.) Internet Browsers
All current internet browser (Firefox, IE, Safari and Chrome) DO use the new ICC profile and display the image correctly.
(3.) Photoshop CS 5
When I open the same image - that Windows Photo Viewer does not correctly displays (according to the new ICC profile) - in Photoshop CS5, I get the same image display that Windows Photo Viewer gives me (when not thumbnail or not in slideshow mode) - it appears to be the sRGB display.
My color settings in PS CS5 are: North America General Purpose 2 > sRGB IEC 61966-2.1.
When I go to View > Proof Setup > Monitor RGB I get the image display using the new ICC profile.
Why does the image look different in PS than my calibrated monitor should output ?
I was under the impression (please correct me if I am wrong), that the sole purpose for calibrating my monitor was to get a uniform display across (ICC aware) applications. Even when one applies different color spaces to a document in PS, I thought the output on my calibrated screen done by the graphic card should always be according to my calibration and the settings in the ICC profile being used.
What Am I doing wrong or what am I misunderstanding ?
Any help or input is appreciated !
Thanks.
- M

Hello,
A note on monitor calibration: calibrating your monitor will not guarentee that every application will display color correctly, it's more of a step along the pipeline, and for the preview part of a color workflow it's the last step. Here's how color translation follows for an ICC workflow when previewing to a monitor:
Image Color Numbers > Document Tag or Workspace Profile > Monitor Profile
For non-color managed applications, if the original document is or isn't tagged with a color profile it will be translated directly to the monitor profile anyway. This is the equivalent in Photoshop of selecting "Monitor" in soft proofing. Selecting monitor in softproofing will bypass the tagged or workspace profile to translate colors directly through the monitor profile.
For most automatic color managed applications (like Firefox), the image will be translated through the tagged profile and then sent through the monitor profile. If the image is untagged or the profile is unrecognized, the colors get sent directly to the monitor profile.
For Photoshop, a tagged document will have its profile respected and then sent to the monitor. An untagged document will be assigned the workspace profile, which acts like a temporary document profile, and then gets sent to the monitor. This is often why users will notice Photoshop behaves differently from other applications. It's usually a case of the workspace coming into play. By default the workspace profile is set to sRGB. You can change this in Edit > Color Settings.
The purpose of the workspace is originally for printing workflows, as a way of keeping consistant color translations when dealing with both tagged and untagged documents. For web output workflows it can be useful for viewing everything through sRGB, which is typical of the average monitor output (not so with newer wide-gamut monitors, another source of confusion...) combined with the fact that originally most web browsers were not color managed. Hence viewing everything through sRGB is pretty close to what most monitors see and what untagged/unmanaged docs will look like.
Monitor calibration is useful only because it brings your monitor output to a "known state". In traditional workflows the monitor was always a middle-man, a preview device which was useful for getting an idea of what the printed output would look like before you print it. Since print colorspaces are often smaller than display spaces, it's feasible and useful to narrow down the monitor/display space and calibrate it to a known state, so that even if it doesn't totally match the print, you'll get used to its differences/limitations and they'll be consistent so long as the calibration is maintained.
For web output, your final output is often another user's computer monitor, which can have any form of behavior (most standard monitors are pretty close to sRGB, or use sRGB as an operating system workspace (default monitor profile). Wide gamuts behave differently, but I'm not sure if there's a particular ICC space that they closely match, or if different wide-gamuts are even that close to each other in their display color spaces.
Hope this helps!

CUSTOM ICC PROFILES DO NOT SHOW UP IN PSCS 6 MAC OS 10.8.4 BUT ARE OK IN CS5

The only icc profiles that show up in CS 6 Mac OS 10.8.4 are the ones that are installed from the printer driver ( Epson 9900 ) Any other single or custom profiles do not show up when placed Library/Colorsync/Profiles
All profiles show up in CS 5, There has been a lot of discussion of this on many forums with no solution. I have also tried installing the profiles in the contents folder of the Epson printer in the main library folder with no luck. Please advise

Mac OS 10.8.4 is still in beta. You need to be reporting this to Apple.
What happens if you move these profiles to the Adobe/Profiles folder, or the users/Library/Colorsync/Profiles folder?
There has been a lot of discussion of this on many forums with no solution.
What forums? A google search turns up nothing but this thread.
I have not seen this problem with the released versions of 10.8.

Can't see the installed icc profiles for my paper in print module

I have downloaded and installed the icc profiles for my favourite Canson and Crane Museo papers on my new Macbook Pro but they don't show up in the options box in the LR 4 print module. Is there another step I have missed? Thanks in advance.

Where did you install the profiles? They should go into
Library/Colorsync/Profiles in your home folder or at the root level of your
hard disk. If you put it in that folder in your home folder, they show up
in user, if you put them in the root Library folder, they show up in
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Links Panel doesn't display actual ICC Profile

Hello. My Link Panel displays "ICC Profile: Document CMYK" on any cmyk image I place, no matter what profile the image bears, and no matter if in Colour Settings the Colour Management Policies is set to Preserve Embedded Profiles or Off. Even if within InDesign I convert it to something completely different, I still get the same information. I'm pretty sure that's not what's supposed to happen, but I'm completely blank on this. Could anyone help me out, please? Thanks a lot.

Which file format do you use for the placed image? EPS?

Possible solution for problems printing with ICC profiles - esp. R2400

(N.B. This is long because I've decided to go in to details about the background of the problem etc.. Also note that whilst my experience is with the Epson R2400, anyone with problems printing using ICC profiles in Aperture may find this post helpful, as will be explained further down the post.)
Ok, here's the situation. I've been an Aperture user for over a year, and an R2400 owner for half a year. In that time I have done a huge amount of experimenting, but I've never managed to get Aperture to work perfectly with Epson's 'premium' R2400 ICC profiles - the ones you can download from their site which are better than the ones provided 'in the box'. This hasn't been too big a deal because, in fact, the R2400 does a rather good job just set to 'System Managed' in Aperture and 'Epson Vivid' with a gamma of 1.8 in the printer driver. Nevertheless, it really annoyed me that something that should work wasn't, which is why I've spent a lot of time trying to figure out what's going on. Having said that, I have come across a method which will give you pretty good prints out of your Epson R2400 using the premium profiles in Aperture - it's not perfect, but it's the best you're going to get if you want to use those profiles in Aperture. I understand the words 'it's not perfect' aren't what photography experts would probably want to hear, however, I have seen a few anguished posts from R2400 owners in here before, so I think some people may find it useful.
The whole reason why Aperture is hopeless at using the R2400's premium profiles is because - unusually - their default rendering intent is set to 'relative colorimetric' rather than 'perceptual'. You might say 'but that's good - it means you get more accurate colours!', and if you do, you're right... however, there's a snag. To get an image to reproduce well using Epson's premium profiles and relative colorimetric rendering, you really need to use black point compensation. This is where the trouble lies: Aperture's black point compensation is diabolical to the point of being unusable when used with relative colorimetric rendering - I feel I need to be awarded compensation every time I've ever tempted to use the setting. So because BPC in Aperture is unusable, that effectively makes the premium profiles unusable too, because Aperture always uses the default rendering intent specified in the profile.
The solution? Use perceptual rendering instead. Ok, so you can't change the rendering intent in Aperture, which makes that sound a tad difficult. However, as I said in the above paragraph, Aperture always obeys the default rendering intent specified in the profile... so you can see where we're going with this: we need to change the ICC profiles' default rendering intent from 'relative colorimetric' to 'perceptual'. I did some digging around and found one or two expensive pieces of software that could do that... but then I found that, lo and behold, the Mac OS has a command-line utility which can do the job for us, for precisely £0.00. It's called SIPS or 'Scriptable Image Processing System', and you can find out some information about it here: http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn/tn2035.html#TNTAG58 For those who don't like reading technical jargon however, here's what you need to do to convert a profile's rendering intent. First go to terminal, then type in the following command:
sips -s renderingIntent perceptual
Do not press 'enter' yet. Instead, add a space after 'perceptual', find the ICC profile you want to modify, and click and drag it into the terminal window. You should then find that your command looks something like this:
sips -s renderingIntent perceptual /Users/yourname/folder/RandomProfile.ICC
At which point you can then press 'enter', and the command will execute, giving you an ICC profile which will now make Aperture use perceptual rendering.
There is just one further thing to be aware of after doing this: for some crazy reason, you then need to turn on BPC in Aperture for the prints to come out as good as possible. Black point compensation shouldn't make any difference when using perceptual rendering as the idea of perceptual is that it takes account of things like that anyway, however, in Aperture BPC does make a difference, so remember to turn it on to get a half decent print. In general, I find that prints made using this setup come out pretty well; they almost perfectly match prints made using the profiles with a perceptual intent in Photoshop Elements, except for the fact that Aperture blocks up the shadows a bit more than Photoshop. However, if you can live with that, you might find this is quite a workable solution.
Now, I said near the beginning of this post that all the above can apply to other printers too. Most printer profiles have 'perceptual' set as their default rendering intent, in which case everything I've just said won't be of much help. However, If you are reading this because you're having problems with ICC profiles in Aperture, but you don't use an Epson R2400, find your problematic ICC profile, double-click on it, and take a look at the window that opens: specifically, at the 'Rendering Intent' the window mentions. If it doesn't say 'Perceptual' then it may well be worth trying the steps I've outlined in this post to set it to perceptual, to see if doing so produces an improvement when using the profile in Aperture.
Finally, just one note of caution: if you decide to try out the steps I've detailed above on a paid-for custom-made profile, please back your profile up before messing with it. I haven't experienced any problems when using SIPS to change a profile's rendering intent, but I obviously can't guarantee that it won't do something weird and corrupt your expensive custom-made profile.
If you have any questions, feel free to ask, although (contrary to any impression I may give) I am not a colour-management expert; I'm just someone who doesn't give up when they have a problem that should be solvable.
Thomas
Mac Pro 2.0GHz with 30" ACD; 15" MacBook Pro 2.0GHz Mac OS X (10.4.10)

Thomas
Wow - thanks for such a comprehensive post.
I have Aperture and a 2400 so this information is exceptionally useful to me.
Again - thanks for caring and sharing
Brian

Adobe Acrobat Pro 9.1.0 distiller ICC profile error asks for reinstall

I have Windows XP professional, SP3.
My Systems Administrator recently upgraded my Adobe Acrobat Pro 8 to 9.1.0 and since then I keep getting an error that says: Distiller cannot find its standard ICC profiles. Please reinstall Adobe Acrobat to correct this problem.
This error happens when:
1. I print to Adobe from a web page (IE 7.0.5730.11 or Mozilla Firefox 2.0.0.20)
2. I try to print to any printer from certain websites, such as the usps.com, where I print all our postage labels from.
3. Occasionally when I start up the PC.
Sometimes I get the error but it still pdfs the page. Usually, though, it hangs and then Acrobat and the web browser close.
I seem to be able to pdf MS Office 2007 items (Word, Excel) and my Filemaker Pro Advanced 10 records. I guess it's when I'm "printing" to Adobe as opposed to "saving as pdf" that I have this problem.
Acrobat 8 worked fine. My Sys Admin has reinstalled the upgrade twice (after trying a repair which didn't work) to no avail. He can't find any documentation about this error at Adobe, so he's going to uninstall it and switch me back to Adobe 8.
I do all of the pdf'ing of our deliverable documents at my company and I would like to have the latest edition of Acrobat. If anyone knows of anything I can do, please let me know.
Thanks!
Stephie

Adobe Tech support was most helpful on this. First download the updated
Distiller ICC profile files at:
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/thankyou.jsp?ftpID=4075&fileID= 3790
Unzip the file and copy only the *.icc files (without regard to the subfolders that they are in - in other words, take the files out of each of the subfolders) to the followng folder in Windows 7:
c:\windows\system32\spool\drivers\color
These new files will probably overwrite some old ones.
This solved the problem for me.
This is actually the best solution though I found that instead of copying all the .icc files to the windows\sys... folder, all you need to do is copy the 3 Video files from the RGB folder (VideoHD.icc, VideoNTSC.icc, and VideoPAL.icc). Once you add these three files to c:\windows\system32\spool\drivers\color you will be good to go.
It seems that this was an error on the part of Adobe in that there is no reason to include Video files for printing. Nevertheless, the distiller will look for these and return the ICC profile error message if those files are not present.

Icc profiles are not being recognized by epson printer from LR 5 in Mac OS 10.10 yosemite

After switching to Mac OS 10.10 (Yosemite) my epson 3880 is no longer recognizing the icc profiles. Is anyone else having this issue?
I've already reinstalled all epson drivers and printer options to no avail. I'm thinking that lightroom and the printer are not communicating the icc profile info?

Striebig wrote:
I'm thinking that lightroom and the printer are not communicating the icc profile info?
That's not how it works. If LR does the color management, it converts the image from its working space (linear ProPhoto RGB) to the space defined by the ICC printer profile that you have designated in the Print module and sends to the printer that (converted) data. The printer driver should be set to "No Color Management" and therefore has no need to know the ICC profile. If you set LR to "Color Management: Managed by Printer", no profile is designated in LR, the data is sent unconverted, and you have to set the driver interface to the appropriate ICC profile - again no communication of the printer profile, although LR does send data that describes the working space so that the driver can make the conversion.

Could not complete the paste command because the icc profile is invalid

Hi. In PS CS4 & AI CS4.
I get the following error when I try to copy & paste a logo from Illustrator into Photoshop:
could not complete the paste command because the icc profile is invalid
I don't understand because the color settings are sychronized. I do this all the time. I have not received this error before.
Thanks.

I received the file from my client. However, last week I had no trouble pasting the same file into a PSD file, as a smart object.
The color file is a label mechanical, which I place into a PSD file of the product. These are used for print ads and web graphics. The color is very critical and has worked really well for the last 4 years.
I have used the default color settings in Creative Suite and its been working fine. They are in synch and, I have no idea how to re-assign the color profile. I’m a graphic Designer, color correction is not something I would do normally.
Ron

"Could not complete the custom command because the ICC profile is invalid"

I got the above message when I attempted to soft-proof an image in Photoshop CC on Windows 7 64-bit.
I had downloaded the ICC profile from drycreekphoto.com, specifically:
http://www.drycreekphoto.com/icc/Profiles/IccFiles/Arizona/Costco-AZ-Tucson-NW-Lus.icc
and installed it by right-clicking on the downloaded file and selecting "Install profile"
Windows installed the profile in the following directory:
C:\Windows\System32\spool\drivers\color
Then in Photoshop CC, I did
View -> Proof setup -> Custom
But when I selected the above profile from the dropdown list, I got error message
"Could not complete the custom command because the ICC profile is invalid"
Does this mean that the profile is really invalid, or am I doing something wrong?
FYI I am new to color management. This was my first attempt to soft proof an image.

I can't quite figure out how it got that way - it has part of an ICC profile structure, but quite a bit wrong. Even debugging tools can't read it as an ICC profile.
It's probably the one file - let drycreek/costco know so they can replace it.

When I try to paste an CCI file into a PSD, I get this message- Could not complete the Paste command because the ICC profile is invalid. I need the layer to be an editable smart object! What's the solution? Ron

When I try to paste an CCI file into a PSD, I get this message… Could not complete the Paste command because the ICC profile is invalid.
I need the layer to be an editable smart object! What's the solution?
Ron

I received the file from my client. However, last week I had no trouble pasting the same file into a PSD file, as a smart object.
The color file is a label mechanical, which I place into a PSD file of the product. These are used for print ads and web graphics. The color is very critical and has worked really well for the last 4 years.
I have used the default color settings in Creative Suite and its been working fine. They are in synch and, I have no idea how to re-assign the color profile. I’m a graphic Designer, color correction is not something I would do normally.
Ron

Hewlett Packard LaserJet PRO 200 Color M251NW - ICC Profile

My girlfriend works from home selling jewelry on Etsy and her prints have been coming out with a strange tint to them recently. I have tried to find the proper ICC profile to use with this printer, but can't seem to find it anywhere. Am I overlooking something?

I still can't get this to work properly. Is there a page that just lists the ICC profiles? I've found some on support tickets but nothing that just has all of them.

Support for n-channel icc-profiles

I have recently attended a symposium where some speakers touched on Photoshop’s (or the whole CS’) lack of support for n-channel ICC-profiles.
And (while I have to admit that the ramifications may be beyond my comprehension) the point seems very much valid.
I suspect this issue might also concern the matter of the Spot Channels-and-Layers-situation that has come up in this Forum repeatedly and changing the current situation may well fall in the neighbourhood of Programming and Nightmare.
Moreover the question of who should or could provide those profiles in any quality regarding the overprint behaviour of the tints (and their possible combinations) would appear daunting.
Still, even a simplyfied physical model may be an impovement to the recent situation.
Plus, as the speakers pointed out, anything above a 7-channel profile is hardly realistic, anyway.
In all probablity Adobe is already aware of the matter through its contacts with/in ICC, FOGRA and other bodies concerned with printing-matters (and their representative at said symposium).
Nonetheless I would like to voice my support for the demand to see n-channel ICC-profile-support in Photoshop.
Edit: This might be especially beneficial with flexo-printing in CMYKOGB (CMYK + orange + green + blue) – I don’t have enough experience with flexo to judge this with any statistical relevance, but it seems to be fairly popular.

Thanks for Your answers.
changing to support an arbitrary number of channels of color data will require a huge number of changes to the application to make even common features work
Understandably.
But it would seem that this may be a solution to certain dissatisfactions with the Spot Channels’ behaviour that have come up in this Forum, too.
Well, not a straightforward solution, I guess, as one may not want to separate an image using the additional Channels but keep that in CMY(K) and only use the Spots for graphic elements etc. … and if Photoshop were to provide seven-Channels-Layers I suspect it wouldn’t be long until someone asks for eight.
The packaging-industry’s needs don’t seem to be met by the CS currently, but the cost-benefit-considerations are certainly valid.

CMYK ICC profile support in Lightroom: Workaround?

Ok, I know this is not the first time someone has brought this up and I know that Lightroom doesn't internally support CMYK printer profiles, and I'm not expecting it to do that given that the documentation specifically says it doesn't work, and it in fact doesn't work.
I'm using OS X (Lion). I recently profiled a Lexmark C543dn color laser printer with a ColorMunki Photo and the profile works great with Photoshop's "built in" RIP/CMS/whatever, but I can't get ColorSync in the printer settings dialog to recognize the profile. If I use the ColorSync Utility to force the profile on the printer, it also doesn't work.
What I would have expected for colorspace conversions when printing (from lightroom for example) is something like:
Melissa RGB -> ProPhoto RGB (or sRGB, Adobe RGB, whatever, using internal lightroom stuff)
ProPhoto RGB -> LAB (using a generic ProPhoto RGB profile that comes with the system or the software pkg)
LAB -> printer native CMYK (using the custom printer profile I created)
native CMYK data -> printer
So I don't understand why Lightroom or whatever application doesn't "tell" the printer driver that it's getting data in ProPhoto RGB (or whatever) at which point the driver should convert to LAB (or whatever PCS is specified) and then to printer native CMYK with the custom profile.
Does anyone know of a way to make this happen?

I'm not a professional, only a hobbyist, so it took me a little longer, but I also have the impression that the new Preview ignores ICC profiles.
I noticed it when moving images between my iBooks built-in and my external Eizo screen. Since the gamut of the second is much larger, images appear rather different on the two screens. In Tiger's Preview, this resulted in colors changing suddenly during the move, when the center of the image passed from one screen to the other. This effect is gone and yes, the images are over-saturated on the 'good' screen.
Jethro555, could you find a solution to the problem?

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