ICloud email no longer working on Window 7.8 Phone

I have been receiving my Apple emails on my Windows 7.8 Phone successfully for the last 2 years. About 3 months ago emails could no longer be sent or received and I typically get the following error codes dependant upon how I have my IMAP/SMTP settings configured; 800c2746 or 80072FA8.
Apple email is working fine from my Android tablet and also from my Windows 7 PC and I've tried replicating these settings on my phone without success. I've googled the problem and tried all the different set up options I can find but not have worked. I'm beyond frustrated now and I suspect Apple has broken something during the recent iCloud work for IOS or Yosemite as nothing has changed on any of my devices and it's only my Windows phone that no longer works.
Does ANYONE have a Windows 7 Phone (mine is a Nokia 800) that is successfully sending and receiving iCloud emails as of today, 2nd November 2014. If you do would you be kind enough to tell me what server settings you are using.
Thanks.

We have exatcly the same problem with Samsung omnia 7 (Windows phone 7.8).
We are using the Server settings from this page: iCloud: Mail server settings for email clients - Apple Support
We have this problem since mid september and no solution.

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Hi skippy2012trev,
Welcome to the Apple Support Communities!
I understand that you updated your Apple Id and password but now you are being prompted for the old information in iCloud. You are on the right track by changing the Apple ID back to the previous email address temporarily so that you can sign out. You should not need to verify the email address. After you edit the Apple ID back to the old email address and then sign out of iCloud on your iPhone, edit the Apple ID back to the address you would currently like to use. There is no need to change the password again, only the email address, unless you prefer to update the password again.
If you're asked for the password to your previous Apple ID when signing out of iCloud - Apple Support
Change your Apple ID temporarily
If signing out and back in to iMessage or FaceTime didn't help, try these steps:
Change your Apple ID to the Apple ID you used previously. You shouldn't need to verify the email address.
Tap Settings > iCloud. Complete these steps only if the Find My [Device] setting is turned on:
Scroll down and tap Sign Out, then tap Sign Out to confirm. If you're using iOS 7 or earlier, tap Delete Account, then tap Delete to confirm.
Tap Keep on My [Device] or Delete from My [Device]. In either case, your data remains in iCloud and will be updated on your device when you sign in to iCloud again.
Enter the password for your previous Apple ID.
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ORIGIN
server
TYPE
error
BUILDNUMBER
1FCS22.32369
TIME
Thu Oct 13 2011 07:54:02 GMT-0700 (PDT)        (1318517642093)
HOST
www.icloud.com
USERAGENT
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_7_2) AppleWebKit/534.51.22 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1.1 Safari/534.51.22
PRSID
38445942
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Thu, 13 Oct 2011 14:53:57 GMT: DEBUG: Request out: /wm/preference-list-->1318517637778/1
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Thu, 13 Oct 2011 14:53:57 GMT: DEBUG: SC.Object:sc1074:dispatch('load content')
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Thu, 13 Oct 2011 14:53:57 GMT: DEBUG: SC.Module: Loading JavaScript file in 'addresses' -> '/applications/mail/frameworks/addresses/en-us/1FCS22.32369/javascript.js'
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Thu, 13 Oct 2011 14:53:58 GMT: DEBUG: SC.Object:sc3099:initStatechart()
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