ICloud email with Mozilla Thunderbird or Outlook 2011

Ever since I migrated to iCloud I haven't been able to get my email to work in Mozilla Thunderbird.  I've tried Outlook 2011 as well, which seems to work fine on my macbook, but not on my other mac or even my windows VMs.  The account won't work in Thunderbird on my macbook either.
I've tried just about everything.  I've tried deleting my old profile in Thunderbird and starting from scratch, I've tried different servers (Mail.app says I'm on p99-imap.mail.me.com), different ports, usernames, etc.  I've even tried changing my password, but all that's resulted in is my Apple Account password changing but my iCloud password didn't (no idea how this happened).
I'm getting really frustrated.  My whole contact list is in Thunderbird, and I really don't like how Mail.app works.
Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

yep, been there and done that.  thanks for the bump tho
edit:  tried suggestions from this thread also to no avail:  https://discussions.apple.com/message/16359150

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