ICloud Photo Library question IOS 8.0.2

Hi,
I have updated IOS to 8.0.2. Now I have an option to turn iCloud Photo Library ON. Correct me if I am wrong, this allows me that every photo or video is automatically uploaded on iCloud... Right? What I want to know is, if this uploading is done only when connected on WiFi, or also when on cellular connection?
Thanks for help!
BTW: Does anyone know where are these photos or videos stored on iCloud? How to get to them on iCloud? These new Photos features with iCloud and syncing are so messy...

Thank you AxeMan1020! This information helps me, as well.
I am writing to see if perhaps photo streams and shared photos might solve which photo solution (My Photo Stream Vs iPhoto Library) to use when where and why, assisting nikoo_80 - and myself...
nikoo_80 wrote:
Hi,
I have updated IOS to 8.0.2. Now I have an option to turn iCloud Photo Library ON. Correct me if I am wrong, this allows me that every photo or video is automatically uploaded on iCloud... Right? What I want to know is, if this uploading is done only when connected on WiFi, or also when on cellular connection?
Thanks for help!
BTW: Does anyone know where are these photos or videos stored on iCloud? How to get to them on iCloud? These new Photos features with iCloud and syncing are so messy...
Axeman1020 wrote:
By default it uses cellular data. If you turn off cellular data for photos Settings > Cellular > Photos - off) then it will be restricted to wifi.
Just a few warnings, iCloud Photo Library is still in beta so I suggest before turning it on you backup your photos.
Also, once it is enabled, you will no longer be able to sync photos via iTunes and any photos currently on the device that were synced via iTunes will be removed.
By using Photo Streams and shared / auto upload (My Photo Stream) that was also in iOS7, I notice that all of the photos I took, when enabling automatic upload to all my devices, every photo I took was uploaded to iCloud and distributed to iPads and Mac computers, restricted to WiFi only.
When I delete a specific photo, that photo would remain on another device. Removing the share / auto-upload (disabling My Photo Stream) on the phone was able to remove the photos shared from the iPhone onto other devices via iCloud.
Interesting note from AxeMac1020 as using the Beta iPhoto Library disables the ability to retrieve using iTunes or iPhoto after being enabled AND it goes back 30 days only, I like that however how do we preserve photos? Back-up using iPhoto, then enable Library Beta? If this will delete photos once enabled, do we use "Image Capture" or "iPhoto" for import and protection against them being deleted? Seems like a benchmark as majority of photos will be deleted (although I removed all photos completely prior to activating iPhone 6.
I had an issue with the synchronization of photos into iTunes (iOS7) whereas the photos would synch though the storage amount would double as I was selecting events and albums (iTunes sync) while maintaining the same on the iPhone (5), iOS7 related somehow, most likely user error on my part. The point is, with 64GB on that phone, it used 80% of the storage by copying the photos thrice, somehow.
logging into iPhoto, iTunes, I was able to sort, move and remove photos though this is previous to the iCloud Drive & iCloud Photo Library. Does iCloud Photo Library require iCloud Drive and if these are sync'd like iOS7, are these managed on each device, distributed similarly as My Photo Stream? can they be managed on iCloud.com? managed via camera roll / albums/ etcetera ? Are these iCloud Drive managed? Centralized and managed on device that took the photo?
Interesting twist as I hadn't noticed this feature until now! Thank you both !
I am not able to turn iCloud Drive ON yet as my OS X Mavericks require Yosemite OR!!!! Perhaps we have an update!!! I'll check now.
Great resources in this thread! Thanks !

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So I can find hundreds of articles telling me that if you iCloud storage is full, your photos won't sync anymore. But if you have thousands of photos, what will happen in my phone is eventually full?
I mean, I have my "optimize iPhone storage" option turned on, but there will be a maximum right? Or are the optimized versions really that small of size?
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Yeah - I'm not seeing anywhere that it states if there is a maximum of "optimized" photos you can keep on your device. I'm guessing that "optimized" photos must be much like iTunes in the Cloud where you can see all of your music (including what is stored in the cloud), but only the music you have actually downloaded will be on your physical device. So only the "original photos" that the management system have left on your device, or that you have specifically downloaded are actually on your device.
Sorry I'm not 100% on that. I'll see if any of our Photo experts know for certain!
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"nowhere it's stated that your oldest/never viewed pictures will be removed from your device" I think this covers that particular question:
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So, if original photos are the ones that are actually on your device, then it will remove older and least viewed original photos to maximize storage when needed.
This is supported by the paragraph about turning off iCloud Photo Library:
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If it is off, you do not have access to those photos that are "optimized", so that supports the idea that they actually live in the cloud.
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Hi,
sorry in advance for my poor english, but i'll try to explain the best that i can...
I have an iPhone 6 128GB and an iPad Air 128 GB.
All my pictures were taken using my iPhone (restored icloud backup from iPhone 5s and I have 1200 photos)
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