ID picks CMYK colors as RGB

Hello
The problem is: when I try to pick a CMYK color in InDesign, it immediately switches it to RGB. The method I pick the color doesn't matter, even if I pick my color from the swatches (C0, M0, Y0, K100), the object is colored with something like C79 M81 Y80 K100.
For you to realise how much "fun" I am having, I add some pictures
type in: C50, M50, Y0, K50
http://gyazo.com/02c492161a03113b1445f9e75d927d89.png
click OK, then immediately double click the color to enter the picker again, and there it is! ...or is it?
http://gyazo.com/961896f820f391add37b8bb2f0d36be4.png
select the swatch C0 M0 Y0 K100
http://gyazo.com/9510d62fcac06cf4e8a3c08637545dcb.png
double click the color to enter the picker, and there it is! ...or is it?
http://gyazo.com/be421bd2a34d7f7d0fd503aa3097113b.png
I use ID CS2 (running on Windows 8), recently I changed my computer, so, since the CS2 activation server is offline, I was forced to use the installer downloaded from Adobe's website. That's when it started, so either it's a problem with this particular distribution, or I had a setting on my old ID installation I'm not aware of. Either way, the usual "if ID acts strange, trash the preferences" method doesn't apply here.
This is wrong on so many levels I guess I'm missing something obvious. Help!

> Are you really running CS2 in Windows 8?
Haha, as long as it does it's job, why not? It costs more than I make in a month, so sorry, no yearly updates
>on rare occasions I run CS2 in the Windows Virtual Machine in Win7 and it seems to work correctly, but it will not run at all in Win7 directly
We've got two CS2 running on Win7 without a problem.
But yeah, I'm ordering CS6 right now

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