IDE cables bundled with K8N Neo4 Platinum--80 wire or 40 wire?

Is the rounded IDE cable that comes with the K8N Neo4 Platinum (non-SLI) mobo an 80 wire or 40 wire cable? How can one tell?
I think I may be having some UDMA issues with my second hard drive (120GB Barracuda 7200.7 IDE). I installed XP on my SATA drive with no other drives connected and then added this IDE drive.
The rest of my setup is in my sig.
Thanks!
Bruce

OK. I checked my device manager for the info on my IDE drive. I looked at the properties of NVIDIA nForce4 Parallel ATA Controller.
Primary Channel:
HD Model # is ST3120026A. The drive set up as Ultra DMA 5 - Ultra 100. Checked boxes are "Let BIOS select transfer mode, Enable read caching, and Enable write caching. I did a speed test from Windows and it shows Theoretical limit of 100, Burst speed of 86.3 and Sustained speed of 58.1.
Secondary Channel:
DVD: _NEC DVD_RW ND-3540A. Transfer mode is Ultra DMA2 - Ultra 33. This is using a flat ribbon cable from an older computer. The only box checked is "Let BIOS select transfer mode".
Do these both look OK or do I need to change something?
Then I looked at the properties of NVIDIA nForce4 ADMA Controller and found:
My SATA drive (my boot drive) is HD model # ST3160812AS. Transfer mode is PIO Mode. Boxes checked are "Enable read caching, Enable write caching, and Enable command queuing. There is a yellow triangle that says "Transfer mode downgraded". I can't do a speed test.
What do I need to do to operate in Serial ATA Generation 2 - 3G? This is how this drive is supposed to operate.
Thanks!
Bruce

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Firewire/1394 devices are not auto-detected with k8n neo4 platinum

I am unable to detect firewire/1394 devices to my PC through my K8N Neo4 Platinum. That is, I plug in the device through the firewire port and windows doesn't detect that a device has been plugged in.
I have tried:
-2 firewire devices, both are Canon digital camcorders (ZR10 and ZR25MC)
-2 different firewire cables
-reinstalling windows, got all windows updates except
(Microsoft Base Smart Card Cryptographic Service Provider Package: x86 (KB909520))
-patch from microsoft, discussed here
(https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=81749.0)
-both firewire devices using both cables connect just fine to a test computer
-both my computer and the test computer have Windows XP Pro SP2
Windows doesn't make the noise "bah-dum" that it has detected a device, nor does it display the dialog that gives me options of what programs to use. Once in a while, if I leave it connected for a while and come back, windows will eventually find it...or windows might bog down and get really slow. It speeds up again instantly once I unplug the firewire device. Strange, I know. Also there are NO conflicts in device manager.
Could it be?:
-bios misconfiguration
-need to use an older chipset driver (i am using most recent from nvidia.com)
-onboard audio or front audio needs to be disabled
-the k8n neo4 platinum simply has connection problems with some firewire devices
(i hope not)
Bob

Built2Last: (good questions!)
I tried your suggestion by removing PCI cards and made FURTHER progress. I found out that my firewire card, the Syba NEC1394-P3, has some compatibility issues with my other PCI cards. I found this out because:
1. it worked fine after I placed it in a non-comm (orange) slot and removed my soundcard (X-Fi) and Belkin wireless modem, and
2. a tech support representative from Syba told me that that particular firewire card has compatibility issues
Quote
Also, SD-NEC-4F is our older model firewire card.
Our new firewire card (SD-PCI-4F) is using VIA VT6306 chipset and no customer complain about any installation issue so far.
If the SD-NEC-4F still giving you trouble, I'll suggest you to return it and exchange for the SD-PCI-4F firewire card.
At least he is honest and wants to help, so I remain impartial towards Syba.
So I figured out the firewire card, but not the onboard firewire. Ok, but check this out! When the Syba card was working, I could plug in BOTH the external hard drive AND either of the Canon camcorders to the Syba firewire card. Windows all three devices just fine. Again, the onboard firewire would ONLY detect JUST the external hard drive, but would not detect either of the Canon camcorders. It seems as though the ball again is knocked back into MSI's court on this issue. Any ideas?
syar2003:
As for drivers, I checked for drivers for: onboard firewire, add-in firewire card, and Canon camcorders.
-I cannot find where there is an MSI firewire driver for my onboard firewire port. I originally guess that it was part of my chipset driver installer, but the README doesn't say anything about it. It is also not an additional download on MSI's website. But since it detects an external hard drive I figure I must already have it.
-The add-in firewire card does not have drivers. I repeat, they do not exist. The manual and Syba's website both state that drivers for the card are included all versions of Windows back to Windows 98.
-Canon's website has a driver/software download page but it also appears that drivers do not exist for the Canon camcorders.
Yes the camcorder is set to VCR mode.
Yes the IEEE1394 is correctly installed, since external hard drive connects okay.
I tried two DV cables and both are connected fine.
The camcorders do not support USB as far as I can see, and if they do, I'm not using it.

Can I put an old 20GB IDE HD into the K8N NEO4 Platinum Board ?

I was just wondering if you can install a old Maxtor 20Gb IDE hard drive into a brand new system built around the K8N NEO4 Platinum (MS-7125) and used it in conjunction with a brand new Maxtor Diamondmax 10 SATA150 80Gb hard drive, for a total hard drive space of 100Gb ?
if it possible for new sata and old ide hard drives to co-exists in the same system ?

Quote from: syar2003 on 23-January-06, 05:00:53
Yes , you can do that .
Only advise is to put the old udma66 disk on it's own ide cable .
You would want to install th OS on the sata drive , make sure not to have the ide disk connected during install
or it will host the OS system files and become the system disk (default win installer choice to take the first drive it sees , and
ide is always prior to satas in bios).
Then after OS is all setup , shut down and connect the remaining disks .
So the procedure would be, to install the sata drive first, the optical drives in IDE secondary and when everythings done, the old 20Gb drive in the primary IDE, its that the way of it ?
what do you mean by "put the old udma66 disk on it's own ide cable" ?

Strange power-on (issue?) with K8N Neo4 Platinum

Hi all, i have a new K8N Neo4 Platinum, non-sli.
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2x200GB Seagate mirroring
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A powerfull enermax coolergiant 600W ATX 2.0 power supply
Latest official nforce4 drivers and bios
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CoreCenter Say:
Vcore -> 1.41V
3.3V -> 3.39V
+5V -> 5.13V
+12V -> 12.26V
memory volt -> 2.60V
FSB -> 200MHz
PCI-E -> 100MHz
cpu volt -> By-VID
Apparently no weird things...
When i switch-on the Pc, for some seconds( ̃10 secs) it don't want to boot, optical drives blink repeatly and the screen is blank, like a bad overclock... But the machine isn't overclocked, and the bios is ok, i think. After 10 secs, finally it go and run flawlessly, post and other things are ok. When i reboot in win, the 10secs-issue repeat itself. So this strange thing at the post is normal? Anyone with the same "problem"? For now the rig is ok when it logon in winXP...

Hi all my friends
@JER101 >>> Ehrr i mean post, sorry
I had unplugged the optical drives, but the problem persist. When plugged, they blink for some times and after blinking the machine go into post-phase and after it boot in the correct manner. I think the PCI card is the problem, like some of you said... I will buy one pci-e card (obviously), but i hope things are not dangerous for now
In the mean time, i have a new problem: emule+firewall=BSOD. I know, there are tons of post about this issue around, but the solution is unclear... Tried to disable DEP, patched WinXP SP2 with latest things from winupdate, but nothing work for me, emule and the firewall generate a crash&reboot. Tried with the Marvell LAN, too, without success.
Any suggestions? Usefull links? If i uninstall the "NVIDIA Forceware Network Access Manager" it will work without problem with a thirdy part firewall, like sysgate?
P.S.
What's the problem with nvidia drivers? C'mon nvidia, solve this damned issue!

Building system for friend with K8N Neo4 Platinum

MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Venice (ADA3200CGBOX)
CT2KIT12864Z40B (2x1GB)
eVGA 256-P2-N516 (7800GT)
WD2500KS (250GB SATAII HDD)
ATXA9N-SS/500 (Case)
Aspire 120MM
Aspire 80MM
ND-3550A (DVD-RW)
TG-480-U22 (PSU)
Can anyone recommend BIOS and drivers I should preload to a CD? I would rather not install from retail CDs only to download new ones.
Are there any other concerns or things I should know of?
Thanks!

Quote from: Kwea on 10-January-06, 23:21:38
MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Venice (ADA3200CGBOX)
CT2KIT12864Z40B (2x1GB)
eVGA 256-P2-N516 (7800GT)
WD2500KS (250GB SATAII HDD)
ATXA9N-SS/500 (Case)
Aspire 120MM
Aspire 80MM
ND-3550A (DVD-RW)
TG-480-U22 (PSU)
Can anyone recommend BIOS and drivers I should preload to a CD? I would rather not install from retail CDs only to download new ones.
Are there any other concerns or things I should know of?
Thanks!
You can use CD drivers (if needed to get connected to net) and update. because of the item on CD will be out dated
I'am using V1.09 BIOS, Nforce 666, GFX 7772 works good for me

CPU cooler that works with K8N Neo4 Platinum/SLI motherboard

I have read that some say the Zalman interferes on this board with the 1, and 2 ram slots, is this true? I'm using the 3500 Winchester CPU.
Does someone have a part number if the Zalman is; a) the best, and b) clears properly.
Also I see everyone talking about Artic Silver 5. What does the"5" mean? I have Artic Silver that I have been using for about 2 years, but there iis no designation "5". Do I need the new stuff?
Thanks

I don’t know muck about artic silver, but I have a comment on the cpu-cooler question.
I recently bought a K8N SLI Platinum, which has an almost identical layout as the Neo4 Platinum. I use a Termalright XP 120 cooler which according to there webpage does not fit on this board. But I didn’t had much problem at all! It is tight with the first ram slot thaw, and with a memory just a few millimetres higher than mine it wouldn’t fit (I use TwinMOS PC3200).
Unfortunately, I don’t know if it’s a similar situation with the Zalman coolers, but I really like to recommend the XP120 (or even XP80) anyway. It keeps my cpu (althorn 3000+) at almost the same temp as the sounding system, during normal use. And since you are free to put any fan you like, you have a very good start making your system really quiet.

Booting problems with K8N Neo4 Platinum

hi
sometimes when i turn on my pc it simply cant boot. ive disabled the full screen msi logo during post to actually get an idea whats wrong. so first it says "main processor:" then "memory testing", it basically counts memory. but when this problem occurs my pc is stuck at the "main processor" text and doesnt continue the booting process. any idea?

Quote from: BOSSKILLER on 02-August-07, 02:07:43
VGA problem, --> https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=34535.0
check VGA power cable(if your VGA got it), try with another VGA. could be PSU too.
i already did, but this combination isnt listed in that topic as the rest of the leds here aint red...
so what? vga isnt getting enough power? i connected the two hdd power connector to the vga just like its manual says. "Two hard disk drive power dongles off of seperate power supply cable bundles." what should i check then?
a chieftec 420w should be more than enough for a pc like mine from what ive heard and read. :S

Issues with K8N Neo4 Platinum Socket 939 and Athlon64 3000+ Venice

Hello everyone, I am planning a long overdue upgrade of my system. Right now I'm looking at the K8N Noe4 Platinum (non SLI) mobo with a Athlon 64 3000+ Venice CPU.
I haven't seen any posts saying NO DON'T PUT THESE TOGETHER but then maybe I've missed something. Any comments would be appreciated, if you know if any problems that seem common between these two please let me know. Thanks!

there is no problem with them.Just make sure if you can that it will come with the latest Bios that full support Venice core.If not ,then it is easy to update it afterwords.
Just also make sure that with you upgrade that you will have a real good PSU more than 450W or/and with 26-35 A on the +12V rail.

IDE Issue on MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum

I just rebuilt my computer over the weekend and everything has worked fine with the new setup except my 2 CD Drives. I have a Pioneer DVD-ROM Drive (Primary) and a Sony CD/RW (Slave) connected to the IDE2 position on the mother board via the same IDE Cable and every time I try to insert a disk and run it from My Computer I receive a Blue Windows Screen citing a MACHINE_CHECK_EXCEPTION. I have 2 HDD connected in the same fashion but have not had any issues with them. When I installed the BIOS that came with the motherboard off of the CD I did select the MSI IDE Drivers and that's the only thing I can think of that would cause this problem, but why only the CD Drives and not the hard drives if they are configured the same way?

i had the same problem with a dvd drive. The dvd's didn't play right etc.
One time the cd drive caused a MACHIE_CHECK_EXCEPTION too, but only that time.
I gave the dvd drive for testing, nothing came up but i replaced the drive anyway and since then no problems. I have the nvidia drivers on and all.It's probably not your drivers. Maybe it's something with your drives, the cable or the IDE connector.
The IDE2 connector of mine didn't recognise any drive correctly.I took it out of the box to check and now it works fine. Maybe it's being grounded.
But as i said i changed the dvd drive and it's all fine.
As for the hdd-cd/dvd combinations you're recommending, it's really a matter of the pc's case, cause for example in my case could never hookup a cd/dvd and an hdd cause the cable is not long enough.THey can't be placed one below the other...

Download Problems with K8N Neo4 Platinum Nvidia Ethernet Controller

Just to ask if there is some basic setup for Nvidia network drivers in Windows or in BIOS since I'm having download errors with a DSL connection when i use the Nvidia networking controller, not depending from the OS I'm booting (WinXP Pro SP2 or WinXP pro 64). When I download using the Marvell Yukon controller everything works fine in both operating systems. Additional specs:
K8N Neo 4 Platinum (latest MSI Nforce4 drivers)
Athlon 64 X2 4200+
2GB Transcend RAM
EVGA 6600 GT 128MB PCI-E
Samsung Spinpoint 200GB SATA (Win XP Pro + SP2)
Samsung Spinpoint 200GB SATA (Win XP Pro 64)
Samsung TS-H522U DVD-RW
Seventeam ST-550EAG 3.3@30A 5.0@30A 12V1 & 12V2 @ 18A each

Quote from: Indigian on 07-November-05, 00:23:35
Open up the nvidia firewall.
Click on 'Active Armour'
Click on 'Application'
change the setting from 'offloadable' to 'notoffloadable'
This solves the download problem.
Indigian, you are The Man!!!!!
That solved it !!! Thank you very much!

Audio 5.1 problem with K8N Neo4 Platinum

Hi,
First of all, apologize for my bad english (I'm French).
I have a problem similar to aberdeen5...
I recently installed 5.1 speakers on my motherboard, but in Windows, Media Player and PowerDVD I only get sound on the 2 front speakers.
I set 6 speakers in PowerDVD and 5.1 surround speakers in the windows control panel. In the mixer, the sound is on for the six speakers.
I test the speakers with MSI CoreCell and the MSI sound control panel and the 6 speakers work fine...
In dxdiag (DirectX utility), the sound test works only on the front speakers when the software buffer memory is used, but when the test used hardware buffer memory, the sound comes well from the 6 speakers...
I've installed the nVidia unified driver for the nForce4, and the latest Realtek AC97 drivers ( a3.73 WHQL)...
If someone has an idea, or had the same problem and solve it, eventually even with an other motherboard, I thank him very much to help me :-)
Have a good day !

Hi,
Finally I tried what you suggested, but the problem remained.
I desinstalled Realtek drivers and installed manually the last nVidia audio ones, included in the 6.53 release. The sound is better, but in PowerDVD it remains on the 2 front speakers...
Perhaps my version of PowerDVD (OEM 5.0) can't play in 5.1... I will try the Deluxe 6.0 version.
when you use 5.1 speakers, do you here the 'ting' sound onthe 6 speakers when you turn on/down the system sound in the task bar ?
I will reinstall the Terratec in my new config and see the behaviour in Windows and PowerDVD 5, then I will know about it.
I will post a new topic later with the solution if I found something. The posts in "New Nforce audio drivers?" from syar2003 were also useful for me. It's difficult to install the audio drivers and choose between "MCP nvidia" and "audio codec nvidia".
Thanks again for your help.

Memory frequency problem with K8n Neo4 Platinum

I have 4 banks of memory installed:
2 x 256 GEIL ddr400 Cl2 and 2 x 512 CORSAIR ddr440 cl2.5, total 1.5Gb ram.
They are in dual channel mode, but they run at 100hz and not at 200hz.
If in the bios i set the manual mode for the memory and set 200 hz, than after the reboot they are at 200 hz but in games like wow, css or others the system freezes.
If i let the auto mode for the memory, the system set them at 100 hz and so the problems disappear.
I see the value 100 or 200 hz in the "cell menu->ddr rate". This value is confirmed from cpuz.
How can i set them to 200hz without system freezes?

Quote from: JayBee on 13-December-05, 03:27:53
3 gigs (256x2 + 512x2) is an inherently unstable combination. While the system could boot that way, you are asking the memory controller on the cpu to negotiate too much when it must run one channel at one type of timing and the other channel at an other. Even under the best circumstances, you can boot that way but will fail memtest when system is stressed. Only stable way to use all 4 dimms slots is with 4 identical modules (same size, cas, etc, i.e., same everything). When it comes to mixing sizes like that (2x256 and 2x512), Intel can do it (memory controller is on the board) but AMD cannot (memory controller is on the processor).
Edit- mixing brands (Geil and Corsair) is an other reason why it has to fail. Intel could do it. AMD cannot.
Edit Edit- What 400 Watt psu is that? Note that you need 18 amps on +12 Volt rail minimum for Neo4. Does your psu have that? Just because the label says it, does not make it so. Check what brand it is.
The output at 12V is 18A

MOVED: Problem with K8N Neo4 Platinum and Vista Ultimate

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Set the Maxtor hard drive to be a Sata I instead of Sata II hard drive with a jumper. Also make certain that the Sata controllers in Integrated Peripherals-IDE Devices Configuration are enabled.

Sound Issues with K8N Neo4 Platinum

Over the last few days I've not been able to get any sound through the onboard line out socket in my pc. I only built it 2 weeks ago and havent noticed until the other day when I first used speakers. So for about 3 days now I've gone through ALL of the Windows Techinical Support but nothing worked, ive reinstalled the drivers several times, the onboard sound is ENABLED in the BIOS, the volume is on full, the speakers have power and are also on full volume.
I've read countless posts on here related to my motherboard (see below), and was wondering if anyone thought that it might be to do with powersupply to the board?

I'm sorry to be such a pain, but that hasnt helped either. I've looked at and changed almost everything, but nothing has worked.
When I look in the program in my system tray ( NVidia NVMixer ) I can only find one button that has anything to do with digital sound.....but its for microphone input.
When I installed these NVidia drivers, I had another icon in the system tray which was a blue square, with a yellow circle in the middle, then around it, it had 2 yellow "(" and ")" around it, to look like sound waves.....but thats gone for some reason, and I can't find a way of turning it back on.
My speakers are just the Altec Lansing ones that came with the family Dell computer as standard, but I've only got them plugged in whilst I sort out this problem, afterwards, I'm going to be linking my pc to my sound system.

MOVED: Overclocking problem with K8N Neo4 Platinum

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Quote from: BlackRaven on 27-June-07, 08:58:49
well everything i wrote was based on the guys serial number reading ability. ill live with 2800 mhz. thanks anyway
That's all fine and good, but not always the case. Sure, some batches/runs are better than others, and some weeks of production are just good clockers, but it is hard to tell what ANY chip will do just by looking at the markings on it. Getting 3G on stock vcore would be almost unheard of - unless the chip was made to run at 3G of course. 2800Mhz isn't too bad and exactly what I run on my Brisbane 24/7.
The only real way to know what any chip will do, IMO, is to buy from someone who has abused already tried it

IDE cables bundled with K8N Neo4 Platinum--80 wire or 40 wire?

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