IDES vs. Discovery System

Hi,
What are the differences between SAP Discovery System and IDES? For example, does Discovery system include all standard SAP transactions (like IDES includes) etc.? Can we create our own scenarios or do we have to use only preconfigured ones?
Br,
Hannu
Edited by: Hannu Alakangas on Feb 1, 2008 7:27 PM

Hi Hannu,
The SAP Discovery System's ERP (SAP ECC 6.0) is configured using the SAP Best Practices Baseline (in v2.0 we have the baseline for ECC5.0 and in v3.0 we have the baseline for ECC6.0) offering for the US. The master data etc. is provided by SAP Best Practices, not IDES. Therefore IDES data is not in the system but only data needed for our specific scenarios is there.
IDES and SAP Best Practices vary significantly.
First, the SAP Best Practices is delivered with an implementation configuration set, not just as a reference. This means that all of the configuration settings are captured into BC sets that can be activated in a new system, captured in transports and transported from Dev to QA and Production.
Additionally, the Best Practices have accompanying configuration guides so that if someone were to use the system as a reference and wanted to know what configuration was activated in the system, they would be able to find out.
SAP Best Practices is fully reusable content either for sandbox, prototype, development, or production. Each SAP Best Practice may have either an industry or cross-industry focus which will help the customer for blueprinting. In the case of the Discovery System, we used our most generic ERP offering, "Baseline".
IDES on the other hand is a fully configured reference system which may have process documentation, but the configuration is not delivered in a way that can be transported outside of a sandbox environment.
Hope that clarifies.
rAimund

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> There is major problems I think, knowing:
> - what exactly are the functionalities (and
> consequently, what audience is targeted) provided by
> Sneak Preview (SDN), IDES systems (through Software
> Catalog), ES Discovery systems (I am sure I am
> missing some of them).
> For instance, IDES offer functional modules and
> Sneak preview doesn't
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> - what level of partnership is needed (none
> [for instance for products available in the SDN
> Download section] to get those sustems,
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> for IDES, SAP Global Partner for Software Catalog)
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> long...
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> people !
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