IDOC and PSA

hi all,
Can anybody tell a case where we can jus use a idoc and cannot use a PSA? are there any cases like this? is there any real time example where we can use only idoc.?
Thanks in advance,
Indudhar

hi indhudhar,
welcomw to sdn,
check out this links:
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/b2b4035c-0d01-0010-31b5-c470d3236afd
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_47x200/helpdata/en/72/c18ee5546a11d182cc0000e829fbfe/content.htm
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RSA3 data in R/3 and PSA data in BI are different values for same Doc No.

Hello BI experts,
I have a weird situation in BI. RSA3 and PSA are not reconciled for same Doc no.
Data Source: 0FI_AR_4 (enhanced in user exit with some custom fields as well)
Extracting data using Infopakcage in BI as a Init load into PSA.
The values in RSA3 in R/3
Doc No           Amount
1400003125      714.29
The values in PSA in BI
Doc No           Amount
1400003125     581.56
Anyone come across this situation. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks much,
Anil

1. yes selections are same in RSA3 and in Infopackage
2. Yes pulling all data records in RSA3. Thats only record exits for that doc#
3. Its not a delta, we are pulling in RSA3 all records and Initial load to PSA.
Thanks much,
Anil

What is the diffrence btween IDOC and BDOC?

what is the diffrence btween IDOC and BDOC?

Hi,
In short Idoc is an Intermediate Document and Bdoc is an Business Document.
Data can Be Transferd from Sap to Non Sap using Idoc where as we can transfer
data between sap to sap in Bdoc.
IDoc
IDoc (for intermediate document) is a standard data structure for electronic data interchange (EDI) between application programs written for the popular SAP business system or between an SAP application and an external program. IDocs serve as the vehicle for data transfer in SAP's Application Link Enabling (ALE) system. IDocs are used for asynchronous transactions: each IDoc generated exists as a self-contained text file that can then be transmitted to the requesting workstation without connecting to the central database. Another SAP mechanism, the Business Application Programming Interface (BAPI) is used for synchronous transactions
BDOC
BDoc is a business document which is technically similar to an IDoc. BDocs are used to communicate data between two systems.
BDocs come in two types. One is the message BDoc (MBDoc) and the second is the Synchronizing BDoc (SBDoc).
MBDoc is used for replicating the data between SAP CRM and SAP R/3
SBDoc is used for replication and realignment between SAP CRM and mobile clients
som times SAP will be integrated with som other third party systems
ex SAP with BAAN here we should comunicate one to other systems
here we can integrate using EDI technology in this the formate of data will be in I DOCS EX :EDI is a bridge between 2 systems .I doc is a container to transfer data from one sys to other
this Idocs we can use in ALE technology also
BDoc is called Business Document,
BDoc represents data in a structural format. This sturctural architecture is use to either input data to system or send data to other system.
BDocs are data carrier that can either collected in system(Inbound) or can be send out of system(Outbound)
Please refer following link:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_crm40sr1/helpdata/en/ec/8d7e3a7e760b55e10000000a114084/content.htm
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Idoc and message type not getting replicated in the receiver system

Hi
i have created a Z Idoc and didtributed the mode from system A ....I can see the distribution model in system B
However i cannot see the custom zidoc / message type in sys B.. Do i need to create the zidoc again in sys B

Hi Tarang,
at least ou need the required partner agreements and you should have a processing function for inbound IDoc. To implement this, the full definition of IDoc including Segment definition should be present in receiving system.
Just look at standard IDocs and do as they do.
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RSA3 data and PSA data not matching

Hello All,
I am in BI7.0 and trying to Load FI_GL data usng 0FI_GL_4 DS from ECC6. I was able to install, activate all necessary standard objects that are involved. I have executed data Load from Infopackage by doing Init. with data Transfer..which went okay and now i am data upto PSA Level with everything green status. But when I noticed that in PSA Maintenance screen its showing whole lot more data..it shows 103 Datapackages transferred and lot of data records in each packages.
In R3 side (RSA3) shows only 831 records. IN BI7 , monitor screen shows more then 9 million records recieved.
Could anyone tell me why this happened? Is it possible that this particular PSA already had data on it? if so How can i find and delete previous records from this PSA? please suggest...
thanks
dk

Hello,
1)The error comes if the data is wrong in the DSO.
Something like before and after image are missing for a record and thats why change log is having some issues.
you can check the data between new tables and PSA and see if its matching or not.
Try to delete all the data from the PSA and the DSO.do proper mappings again especially in the keys of the DSO and then reload it.
try to load it for a small a amount like one company code and one fiscal period.check in PSA if its matching or not from RSA3.
2)If the data is getting loaded then there should not be a any problem with the data source.DTP could be an issue.the program is to activate the data source in BI 7 system and if the data source is already activated then you dont need this again.
3)Rule proposal can be generated if the fields are same and have same technical name.in your case the field name are different since its datasource and DSO mappings and therefore you will have to do mappings manually.
4)you mean RSA3??
RSA3 displays the data from tables only in case of full mode.Also,try to do full loads till the PSA and then check for the same in RSA3 in full mode.keep the package size and number of calls maximum so that it will show you correct number of records extracted.
RSA3 is an extractor checker and can be used for verify small amount of data,dont use it for verifying the datasource for all the drecords.
use underlying tables if you want.
if init is done properly then the data will be correct and you should verify it with the tables and not RSA3.
Regards
Ajeet

DIFFERENCE B/W IDOC AND RFC   ADAPTERS

HI FRIENDS,
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE B/W   IDOC AND RFC   ADAPTERS..? AND WHICH ONE IS
PREFERABLE TO USE    IN TRANSFERING DATA FROM THIRD-PARTY SYSTEM TO SAP.?
REGARDS,
RAMAKRISHNA.

Hi
These links will help you to understand :
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/11/028417f9f8b24cbe1b0b398e1cb76a/frameset.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/ab/bdb13b00ae793be10000000a11402f/frameset.htm
Please dont forget to reward with points.
Edited by: Dheeraj Kumar on Mar 3, 2008 2:59 PM

How to trigger automatically an IDOC and RFC from SAP R/3 system?

Hi ,
lets say if we are implementing IDOC to FILE &RFC to FILE scenario ,how can we trigger on timely basis(schedules)
1)standard IDOCs and BAPIs?
2)customized Idocs and Customized Bapis?
3)Master Idocs and transactiona Idocs?I think we need to use change pointers for master Idocs and donno about Transactional Idocs.
please explain ,
thank you very much for your help.
regards,
Babu

sorryfor the late reply, I was busy with my work.thank you for your posts.
so all of you say just run the RSEOUT00 no matter what interface we use in XI like Master ,transactional Idocs,standard or customized BAPIs?
And I think we use RSNASTED if we have on recieving side right?
<b>then when we would use a report of format below to trigger an RFC,is this format for Asunc RFC ?</b>
REPORT Z_SEND_DATA_TO_XI.
parameters: dest like rfcdes-rfcdest default '(RFC Destination you defined in SM59)'.
<<your other variable declaration and ABAP Code here>>
call function 'ZXI_SEND_DATA'
in background task
destination dest
exporting
Name = John
City = Smith. (The values to pass to XI)
commit work.
<<Any Write statements or sy-subrc statements here>>
6) Save and Activate your ABAP program.
6) After all these steps, execute your ABAP Program to send the data to file via XI.

Data not matching in RSA3 and PSA.

Hi,
I have loaded data into BW from a Generic datasource and the values in R/3 and BW are not matching. Upon analysis, I found that the values for a characteristic are not matching even in RSA3 and PSA. All the values for other characteristics match excepting this single characteristic.
We have used user exit to populate the fields in the datasource in R/3. According to my knowledge, data in RSA3 and PSA should match. Can someone please tell me how the mismatch between RSA3 and PSA is occurring? Are there are any specific settings that I should be looking for?
Thanks in advance.

Hello karthik,
We have the same problem of difference in RSA3 and PSA data for 1 keyfigure...
it was a generic data source with function module....
The reason for this difference is When a record is splitted in to 2 or 3 data packages then you may get some inconsistencies in the data.....
Try to increase teh data package size and load then you will get the correct data(it worked for us)
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IDoc and creation of sales order!!

Hi,
I need to create sales order using IDoc and the file will have multiple line items for sales order and it has to be dynamic, so whats the best way to do this?
Regards
Gunjan

Hi
Check for the related IDOC types in EDBAS table and for related Message Types
in table EDMSG. take relavent one for your requirement and use.
Data Creation in Idoc
IDocs are text encoded documents with a rigid structure that are used to exchange data between R/3 and a foreign system. Instead of calling a program in the destination system directly, the data is first packed into an IDoc and then sent to the receiving system, where it is analyzed and properly processed. Therefore an IDoc data exchange is always an
asynchronous process. The significant difference between simple RFC-calls and IDoc data exchange is the fact, that every action performed on IDocs are protocolled by R/3 and IDocs can be reprocessed if an error occurred in one of the message steps.
While IDocs have to be understood as a data exchange protocol, EDI and ALE are typical use cases for IDocs. R/3 uses IDocs for both EDI and ALE to deliver data to the receiving system. ALE is basically the scheduling mechanism that defines when and between which partners and what kind of data will be exchanged on a regular or event triggered basis. Such a set-up is called an ALE-scenario.
IDoc is a intermediate document to exchange data between two SAP Systems.
*IDocs are structured ASCII files (or a virtual equivalent).
*Electronic Interchange Document
*They are the file format used by SAP R/3 to exchange data with foreign systems.
*Data Is transmitted in ASCII format, i.e. human readable form
*IDocs exchange messages
*IDocs are used like classical interface files
IDOC types are templates for specific message types depending on what is the business document, you want to exchange.
WE30 - you can create a IDOC type.
An IDOC with data, will have to be triggered by the application that is trying to send out the data.
FOr testing you can use WE19.
How to create idoc?
*WE30 - you can create a IDOC type
For more information in details on the same along with the examples can be viewed on:
http://www.netweaverguru.com/EDI/HTML/IDocBook.htm#_Toc8400404
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp2005/helpdata/en/0b/2a6620507d11d18ee90000e8366fc2/frameset.htm
http://www.sappoint.com/presentation.html
http://www.allsaplinks.com/idoc_search.html
http://www.sapgenie.com/sapedi/idoc_abap.htm
http://www.erpgenie.com/sapedi/idoc_abap.htm
To Create Idoc we need to follow these steps:
Create Segment ( WE31)
Create Idoc Type ( WE30 )
Create Message Type ( WE81 )
Assign Idoc Type to Message Type ( WE82 )
Creating a Segment
Go to transaction code WE31
Enter the name for your segment type and click on the Create icon
Type the short text
Enter the variable names and data elements
Save it and go back
Go to Edit -> Set Release
Follow steps to create more number of segments
Create IDOC Type
Go to transaction code WE30
Enter the Object Name, select Basic type and click Create icon
Select the create new option and enter a description for your basic IDOC type and press enter
Select the IDOC Name and click Create icon
The system prompts us to enter a segment type and its attributes
Choose the appropriate values and press Enter
The system transfers the name of the segment type to the IDOC editor.
Follow these steps to add more number of segments to Parent or as Parent-child relation
Save it and go back
Go to Edit -> Set release
Create Message Type
Go to transaction code WE81
Change the details from Display mode to Change mode
After selection, the system will give this message The table is cross-client (see Help for further info). Press Enter
Click New Entries to create new Message Type
Fill details
Save it and go back
Assign Message Type to IDoc Type
Go to transaction code WE82
Change the details from Display mode to Change mode
After selection, the system will give this message The table is cross-client (see Help for further info). Press Enter.
Click New Entries to create new Message Type.
Fill details
Save it and go back
Check these out..
Re: How to create IDOC
Check below link. It will give the step by step procedure for IDOC creation.
http://www.supinfo-projects.com/cn/2005/idocs_en/2/
ALE/ IDOC
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp2004/helpdata/en/dc/6b835943d711d1893e0000e8323c4f/content.htm
http://www.sapgenie.com/sapgenie/docs/ale_scenario_development_procedure.doc
http://edocs.bea.com/elink/adapter/r3/userhtm/ale.htm#1008419
http://www.netweaverguru.com/EDI/HTML/IDocBook.htm
http://www.sapgenie.com/sapedi/index.htm
http://www.sappoint.com/abap/ale.pdf
http://www.sappoint.com/abap/ale2.pdf
http://www.sapgenie.com/sapedi/idoc_abap.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp2005/helpdata/en/0b/2a60bb507d11d18ee90000e8366fc2/frameset.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp2005/helpdata/en/78/217da751ce11d189570000e829fbbd/frameset.htm
http://www.allsaplinks.com/idoc_sample.html
http://www.sappoint.com/abap.html
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp2004/helpdata/en/dc/6b835943d711d1893e0000e8323c4f/content.htm
http://www.sapgenie.com/sapgenie/docs/ale_scenario_development_procedure.doc
http://edocs.bea.com/elink/adapter/r3/userhtm/ale.htm#1008419
http://www.netweaverguru.com/EDI/HTML/IDocBook.htm
http://www.sapgenie.com/sapedi/index.htm
http://www.allsaplinks.com/idoc_sample.html
http://www.sapgenie.com/sapgenie/docs/ale_scenario_development_procedure.docs
go trough these links.
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp2004/helpdata/en/dc/6b835943d711d1893e0000e8323c4f/content.htm
http://www.sapgenie.com/sapgenie/docs/ale_scenario_development_procedure.doc
http://edocs.bea.com/elink/adapter/r3/userhtm/ale.htm#1008419
http://www.netweaverguru.com/EDI/HTML/IDocBook.htm
http://www.sapgenie.com/sapedi/index.htm
http://www.sappoint.com/abap/ale.pdf
http://www.sappoint.com/abap/ale2.pdf
http://www.sapgenie.com/sapedi/idoc_abap.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp2005/helpdata/en/0b/2a60bb507d11d18ee90000e8366fc2/frameset.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp2005/helpdata/en/78/217da751ce11d189570000e829fbbd/frameset.htm
http://www.allsaplinks.com/idoc_sample.html
http://www.sappoint.com/abap.html
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp2004/helpdata/en/dc/6b835943d711d1893e0000e8323c4f/content.htm
http://www.sapgenie.com/sapgenie/docs/ale_scenario_development_procedure.doc
http://edocs.bea.com/elink/adapter/r3/userhtm/ale.htm#1008419
http://www.netweaverguru.com/EDI/HTML/IDocBook.htm
http://www.sapgenie.com/sapedi/index.htm
http://www.allsaplinks.com/idoc_sample.html
http://http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp2004/helpdata/en/dc/6b835943d711d1893e0000e8323c4f/content.htm
An IDoc is simply a data container that is used to exchange information between any two processes that can understand the syntax and semantics of the data...
1.IDOCs are stored in the database. In the SAP system, IDOCs are stored in database tables.
2.IDOCs are independent of the sending and receiving systems.
3.IDOCs are independent of the direction of data exchange.
The two available process for IDOCs are
Outbound Process
Inbound Process
AND There are basically two types of IDOCs.
Basic IDOCs
Basic IDOC type defines the structure and format of the business document that is to be exchanged between two systems.
Extended IDOCs
Extending the functionality by adding more segments to existing Basic IDOCs.
To Create Idoc we need to follow these steps:
Create Segment ( WE31)
Create Idoc Type ( WE30)
Create Message Type ( WE81)
Assign Idoc Type to Message Type ( WE82)
imp links
http://www.allsaplinks.com/idoc_sample.html
http://www.sapgenie.com/sapedi/idoc_abap.htm
www.sappoint.com
--here u can find the ppts and basic seetings for ALE
http://sappoint.com/presentation.html
www.sapgenie.com
http://www.sapgenie.com/ale/index.htm
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Tax with the help of idoc and EDI

Dear gurus,
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Hi Amit,
I do not understand how a non-sap system having an idoc adapte?
Do you mean the non-sap system has the ability to understand the IDOC files?
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https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/e07dcaa0-a92b-2a10-3a96-b3d942bd1539
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*I have PI 7.0 . I have in that File to File , File to IDOC and IDoc to File Scenarios*
File to File -- This scenario is working fine.
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>
Rickkk wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Idoc metadeta is updated through idx2?
>
> Regards
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I am trying to create an Org Unit with effective from today or a future date. When I do this, PA and PSA is not getting inherited for the newly created Org Unit.
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we are planning two PoCs of Integration Plattforms. One of our major requirement set is SAP Integration into our existing SOA.
Because we also have R/3 4.7 Systems in production, we are planning to test ALE/IDOC and RFC/BAPI Integration scenarios with these Integration Plattforms.
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Can i have step by step process in SAP PI for pass through scenario with no mapping in case of file to Idoc and Idoc to file both cases please.
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My PI system is 7.3 dual stack.
I have seen below blogs, still its confusing to me.
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Pass Through Scenario with no Mapping in PI 7.1
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IDoc (for intermediate document) is a standard data structure for electronic data interchange (EDI) between application programs written for the popular SAP business system or between an SAP application and an external program. IDocs serve as the vehicle for data transfer in SAP's Application Link Enabling (ALE) system.
IDocs are used for asynchronous transactions: Each IDoc generated exists as a self-contained text file that can then be transmitted to the requesting workstation without connecting to the central database.
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A large enterprise's networked computing environment is likely to connect many geographically distributed computers to the main database. These computers are likely to use different hardware and/or operating system platforms. An IDoc encapsulates data so that it can be exchanged between different systems without conversion from one format to another.
IDoc types define different categories of data, such as purchase orders or invoices, which may then be broken down into more specific categories called message types. Greater specificity means that an IDoc type is capable of storing only the data required for a particular transaction, which increases efficiency and decreases resource demands.
An IDoc can be generated at any point in a transaction process. For example, during a shipping transaction process, an IDoc may be generated that includes the data fields required to print a shipping manifest. After a user performs an SAP transaction, one or more IDocs are generated in the sending database and passed to the ALE communication layer. The communication
layer performs a Remote Function Call (RFC), using the port definition and RFC destination specified by the customer model.
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RFC
Remote Function Calls (RFC) and data exchange through IDoc message documents. RFC makes direct and synchronous calls of a program in the remote system. If the caller is an external program it will call an RFC-enabled function in R/3 and if the calling program is the R/3 system it will call an RFC-function in another R/3-system or it will call a non-R/3 program through a gateway-proxy (usually rfcexec.exe). BAPIs are a subset of the RFC-enabled function modules, especially designed as Application Programming Interface (API) to the SAP business object, or in other words: are function modules officially released by SAP to be called from external programs.
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