IDoc Collection in BPM and Without BPM

Hi All
I'm much confused on IDoc collection for which i require your expertise to clear my doubts. My primary question is based on the context "Multimapping doest work with idocs".
consider the case -> collect files-idoc scenario. Using BPM i need to have
a multimapping scenario. In the transformation step we will have a container element where mutiline is enabled so that the collected files are transformed into one abs interface. my dopubt arises here when i consider this scenario without bpm that is N:1 mapping (no collection). in this case why this multimapping works in bpm process and not incase of non-bpm scenarios? is it because in bpm the mapping happens in BPE?
pls clarify.
thks
Prabhu

>>>>In an N:1 scenario without BPM, how could you send more than one message to your multi-mapping? You can't.
yes we cant as this validation is not supported at abap stack level and N:1 is possibkle without BPM (or i'm missing something here). but this same step with bpm get executed succceffuly. whats the logic behind it
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