IDoc Packaging + Ack ALEAUD = bad behavior ?

Hi,
I'm in version PI 7.11 and I'm studying the IDoc packaging of EhP1 with Acknowledgment (ALEAUD).
My scenario is a basic one: File -> PI --> ECC (100 idocs). And then ECC returns Ack.
So for the returned Acknowledgment, I have that:
- on ECC, I did ALE config, and I run programs RBDSTATE / RSEOUT00 to create one IDoc ALEAUD (Ack).
- In PI, I use a sender CC (Idoc adapter) by using option "Idoc Packaging".
- In PI, I use a Sender Agreement with Idoc ECC's ALEAUD and this sender CC.
- In PI, I use program IDX_ALEREQUEST on ECC's ALEAUD idoc.
My problem is:
ECC send me ONE idoc ALEAUD which contains 100 segments corresponding to 100 Idocs received at the first step. BUT even if I used the "Idoc Packaging"... in IDX5 of PI, I have not one idoc ALEAUD, but I have 100 Idocs ALEAUD !
And so after that my mapping is run 100 times instead of one ! Image if I need to return an email... with this PI behaviour, I will send 100 "Ack" emails.
So does somebody know why IDoc Packaging does not work with ALEAUD whereas program IDX_ALEREQUEST is correctly used ?
Thanks
Mickael
Note: I don't want to have to create a BPM to collect my ALEAUD Idocs. That's too heavy...
And (for the moment), I don't want to create a specific ZALEAUD idoc...

Hi Prashant,
yes, I did not precise it, but of course IDXNOALE is used, else PI will generate an Ack of this ECC's ALEAUD... so a ack of a ack... but it's not really my problem.
what I say is:
- Request : PI -> 100 idocs MATMAS (for instance)
- Ack : ECC return to PI only one idoc ALEAUD with 100 segments "E1STATE" corresponding to the 100 idocs MATMAS.
- Ack : PI receive this only one ALEAUD... but in IDX5 and in SXI_MONITOR, we see in fact 100 IDocs ALEAUD with 1 segment E1STATE, instead of having only one idoc ALEAUD (like in ECC side) !
So I'm searching a way to keep in PI the only one Idoc ALEAUD sent by ECC, in order to be able (for instance) to send only one email (and not 100 emails like it's the case for the moment).
Regards
Mickael

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I think that this is not managed from the BPM, bacause the acknowledgements will come someone positive and someone negative, and so when the first send step will be completed ?
I think that the solution must to be changed a little bit, or removing the IDoc Packaging, or removing the wait of Acknowledgements.
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reg

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If there are 5 IDocs in an IDoc and any one of them is failed,then will the entire IDoc package will fail or something else?
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