Idoc packaging questions

Hi
I am aware that in Idoc packaging how Sender Idoc adapter packaging is done and also know that it is available from PI7.11
I have 2 questions...
1. Suppose there is a data issue with a single idoc ,,because of that entire package will fail...then it would call for finding the erroneous idoc ...correct the data and resend all the Idocs again..
This problem can occur again and again...and because of this the entire package will be stopped..
So is it a good option to not do packaging and send a single Idoc and insert it as a record in target database.
2. In case i am doing idoc packaging the occurence of IDOC in mapping will still be 1..1.
How do i manage my mapping such that each Idoc in the package should insert a separate record in the database table
Hema

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> 2. In case i am doing idoc packaging the occurence of IDOC in mapping will still be 1..1.
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> How do i manage my mapping such that each Idoc in the package should insert a separate record in the database table
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Map IDoc to access tag, in this case one record for each IDoc will get inserted.

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IDOC packaging/No packaging - need either/or depending on receiver

Hello IDOC adapter gurus,
We have an existing scenario with IDOC packaging, in which the message goes to multiple receivers . The client wants to OMIT idoc packaging for a single one of the receivers. Since the packaging is done in the sender adapter, how can I accomplish this in XI? A separate Partner Profile is already set up for this receiver in the sending system, so that side is not a problem.
One idea I'm exploring would be to create a new sender comm channel without packaging and a new Sender Agreement with Virtual Receiver and select the receiver in question, however I can't find enough documentation on the VR feature. Would that work? Any other ideas?
Thanks in advance.
Carlos

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Carlos Herrera wrote:
> Hi Ravikanth,
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> Yes, I intend to do that, but the question is, will that be enough since it will still go through the comm channel that has idoc packaging configured? In other words, will the comm channel package size act as a "max size" or "min size"?
>
> Thanks.
> Carlos
if it is configured to be not do the collect at the partner profile end, you dont have to worry.
the IDoc adapter will not do any collect even if the package size is set.

Idoc Acknowledgements and Idoc Packaging

All,
I am implementing a requirement wherein we need to post 2 different types of Idoc's from our BPM. The Business requirements is such that until the Idoc 1 is not processed by the R3 system, the Idoc 2 should not be posted from XI as there is dependency in the data.
This can be addressed using Application Acknowledgements. The solution to this is to use the send step in my BPM with application acknowlegement. Until the application acknowledgement is not received for the first send step , the next send step will not be processed and so things will / should work fine.
The problem comes in the fact that the Idoc's being sent out of XI use Idoc Packaging, ie., the First Send Step uses Idoc Packaging to post multiple Idoc's to the target system. A question that arises due to Idoc packaging and Idoc ack's are,
How will the Idoc Ack's be sent back to XI?
I have read through the online help and it states that every ALE AUDIT Idoc can contain the status of maximum 500 Idoc's. Now, in my case , when using my Idoc packaging, if the number of Idoc's are greater than 500, how will the Application Acknowledgement for the Idoc's work? Will I still get a single acknowlegement in my BPM or will I get multiple acknowledgements? Will Send Step with Application acknowledgement still hold good?
Any ideas, thoughts / experiences on using idoc ack's with idoc packaging?
Regards
Bhavesh

If I undestatood correcty you have 2 send step, the first send a message containing multiple IDoc (IDoc Packaging). In this first send step you set the application Acknowledgements.
I think that this is not managed from the BPM, bacause the acknowledgements will come someone positive and someone negative, and so when the first send step will be completed ?
I think that the solution must to be changed a little bit, or removing the IDoc Packaging, or removing the wait of Acknowledgements.
Also take in mind that if you use a BPM with many possible correlation (Acknowledgements) you will have bed performances.
Regards,
Sandro

IDOC and IDOC Package

Hi Experts,
I'm refering the following web blog /people/prasadbabu.nemalikanti3/blog/2006/02/24/collecting-and-bundling-vendor-records-from-different-multiple-interfaces-file-systempeoplesoft-and-sending-to-sap-r3-system-part-1 and a bit confused. My questions are.
Q1. in section 6. the author is saying "CREMAS.CREMAS03 can be used as a single IDoc and not as a package" wht does an IDOC package represents and why he is using IDOC Package instead of Std. IDOC i.e., CREMAS03.
Q2. wht is the purpose of step 7.
Q3. in step 9. under 9.1 the mapping is created between File message type and CREMAS03 instead of CREMAS03_package.
Q4. in 9.2 "Interface mapping between File Interface and abstract interface of File". why mapping is required between file interface and abstract interface of file?
Q5. in 9.5 "Message mapping between Original IDoc and CREMAS_package, make it as multi mapping" why this mapping is required?
Regards
Faisal

Hi Abdil,
IDoc Message Packages
Use
This function enables you to activate IDoc message packages quickly and efficiently. You use IDoc message packages to process and send messages from the IDoc adapter as packages rather than individually.
Integration
You can define filters for selecting messages for message packages and jobs for processing these packages by using event-driven message processing.
Prerequisites
In the menu Exchange Infrastructure ® Administration you have called the transaction IDoc Message Packages (IDXPW) and are on the Activation of IDoc Message Packages initial screen.
Features
You use this function to specify a message and do the following:
·        Test whether filters are already defined to filter this message at runtime
·        Test which of the defined filters actually filters this message at runtime
·        Define and activate a filter if none exists for this message
The message that you specify must be a message that has been processed successfully by the receiver IDoc adapter.
Activities
To activate an IDoc message package, you must first specify the ID of a message. You have the following options:
·        Enter a known message ID manually.
·        Use the input help to select a message ID.
The entered or selected message is used as a template for activating a message package.
To check whether a filter has already been defined for the message, choose Filter Test. If a filter exists, the entire filter data is displayed in a separate window. If multiple filters exist, the data is displayed for the filter that actually filters the message at runtime.
To continue with the activation of the message package, exit the filter display and choose ENTER on the initial screen. The system displays the following:
·        If a filter has already been defined for the specified message (one package activated), the remaining fields are filled with the values of this filter. You can now only edit the values in the following fields:
¡        Maximum Package Size
¡        Job Period
¡        Period Unit
¡        Start Immediatelycheckbox
·        If only parts of a filter have been defined for the specified message, the corresponding fields are filled with the defined values and the remaining fields contain default values, which you can accept or change.
·        If no filters have been defined for the specified message, you can edit all fields.
Make your entries and changes and choose Execute.
This activates the package for the specified message and schedules the specified job automatically. The current filter data is displayed in a separate window.
Go through this link...
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/c1/bab13bb3acd607e10000000a11402f/content.htm
Thanks,
Satya Kumar
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IDOC Packaging on outbound side

Can we do IDOC packaging on Outboud side of IDOC Adapter ?

hi,
no, IDOC packaging is not possible on the outbound side
you can use collect patter to collect idocs and send them
in one call like I desribed in one weblog:
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/12/04/xi-idoc-bundling--the-trick-with-the-occurance-change
but this is not IDOC packaging (event driven)
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michal
<a href="/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/06/28/xipi-faq-frequently-asked-questions">XI / PI FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions</a>

IDOCs Packaging ? Need some clarification ;-)

Team,
Simple scenario:
=> JMS (xml) --> ( XI ) --> (IDOCs) --> SAP ECC.
This is scenario working fine.
However, If we have 10 IDOC, we have 10 LUW on the backend system (not good for the performance).
To avoid these multiple luw, we are using the IDOC packaging approach (no ccBPM) the wizard (idxpw).
So
1) XML messages are coming in XI
2) Since we have a filter (sxmsfilter), messages are kept aside for a while
3) Until a job (created using idxpw) wake up and start processing the messages
Our questions:
When does the packaging trick arrive ? We do not see the messages in IDXP (with the package icon), but with the yellow dot
thank for you help
MO A+

Hi XI Team,
Have a look at Sravya's blog
/people/sravya.talanki2/blog/2005/12/09/xiidoc-message-packages
Usually IDOC packaging is created at the sender side as explained in the blog. Have never tried IDOC packaging at receiver end.
In our case, we changed the IDOC XSD to unlimited and used it. It will create a single message in XI.
But in R/3 it is not an IDOC package. It will be a collection of IDOC. Each will trigger a new LUW.
Hope the weblog will give you some idea. If you are able to create an IDOC package at th R/3 do update us. I will give this scenario a try tomo. It is 12:20AM my time
Good Luck
Regards,
Jaishankar

IDOC Package

Hi Guys,
I have the following scenario WS->XI->IDOC but in this scenario there will be several calls from WS and we want to send an IDOC Package.
I have seen some blogs regarding the collector pattern on BPM but in some of them I have seen that there is a performance issue with this solution.
I saw also the Srayva's Blog XI:IDOC Message Package but the scenario is IDOC-XI-File and I was wondering if I can apply this solution to my scenario? or do you know more solutions?
Thanks
Omar Hernandez

hi,
if you call WS several times you need to use collect pattern
you can find more about IDOC bundling in my book:
<a href="/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2006/10/11/xi-new-book-mastering-idoc-business-scenarios-with-sap-xi">Mastering IDoc Business Scenarios with SAP XI</a>
Regards,
michal
<a href="/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/06/28/xipi-faq-frequently-asked-questions">XI / PI FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions</a>

Difference between IDOC Bundling and IDOC Packaging

Hi,
Can anybody please explain the difference between IDOC bundling and IDOC packaging?
Thanks,
Loveena.

Hi,
IDoc Bundling is the changing the occurance of IDoc.
In a scenario If there is a necessitity for changing the Occurance of some segment of the IDOC u have to perform this steps
1.Import the IDoc to XI.
2.Export the IDoc(i.e XSD format) and save it to the local machine.
3.Make changes to the IDoc structure by modifying the XSD file in the local machine.
4.Save it as an XSD file Itself.
5.Import the XSD file in the IR under the External Defination.
6.Use this XSD in your Message Interface/Mapping which is same as IDoc structure but with some changes that u have made.
Go Thru this Blog <a href="/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/12/04/xi-idoc-bundling--the-trick-with-the-occurance-change Bundling - Trick without BPM</a> BY Michal Krawczyk where the Occurance of the IDoc is changed to 1...Unbounded from 1...999999999 by using the XSD.
IDoc Packing is collecting of IDoc
<a href="/people/pooja.pandey/blog/2005/07/27/idocs-multiple-types-collection-in-bpm of Multiple type IDOCs in BPM</a> BY Pooja
Regards
Santhosh
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IDoc Packaging in IDoc 2 IDoc Scenario

Hi every one,
Can anyone please throw some light on the following:
Use of Idoc packaging in an Idoc2Idoc scenario. I dont have any clue about this.
Reg,

This should be rather straight forward, if you are using XI to pass IDocs from system to system then you actually don't really have to do any mapping. There are some other good discussions on this topic:
idoc to idoc
IDOC packaging
Re: IDOC to IDOC Scenario
This is a good document on the topic:
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/cdded790-0201-0010-6db8-beb9bb2b2660
You can import the IDoc data types and go about creating the rest of your scenario, usnig the IDoc adapters and ALE
I would definitely also check out this document on configuring the IDoc adapter:
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/d19fe210-0d01-0010-4094-a6fba344e098

URGENT- IDoc Packaging - Que- Michal blog

Hi,
I was following Micahl's blog - for idoc packaging -
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2007/12/02/xipi-sender-idoc-adapter-packaging
But there is another blog, which also by Michal.
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/12/04/xi-idoc-bundling--the-trick-with-the-occurance-change ,
which is also mentioned in OSS note: Note 814393 - Multiple IDoc instances in an XI message.
Do I need to do both of them to achieve the Idoc Packaging.
I also noticed that in the first blog, it is about pushing Idocs out of R/3 system and in the second blog it is the other way round.
Can any one please clarify.
reg

with the first blog, how does sxmb_moni screen looks like - R3 system, XI. On XI it should not make any diff as XI is still splitting the packages.
Yes you are right...On R3 system, if packaging is done, then you will find all IDOCs as single message. As you said on XI it will not make any difference.
With the 2nd blog, XI would show single message for each package, but with more instances of the Idoc payload. (As shown in the first blog - look at the 2nd pic). Which means that you saving the queues but the payload size is more here in this case.
Yes..It show single message with more instance of IDOCs. You are right about saving the queues and payload size is also more

Deactivate Idoc packaging in PI 7.1

Hi,
We know that Packaging by default enabled in PI 7.1 but we want to turn off this feature for Idoc processing. Could you please help me in turning off this feature? Thank you very much in advance.

From 7.1 forth, the IDOC packaging is the same as the regular packaging. So, to disable for IDOC scenarios, please go to the SXMS_BCM transaction and set the interfaces that shouldn't have packaging to "NO". This should disable the packaging for specific scenarios.

PI 7.1 EHP1 : IDoc packaging

Guys
I am currently on PI 7.1 EHP1 , Trying to do Idoc packaging for one scenario , I am not sure what size I have to put in the tab
( IDoc package size ) in sender IDoc channel . I also donot know the frequency of IDocs . I saw one video in it it was told that the package size shouldnot exceed 2MB size .
Please help in this regard
Regards
Ninad

Hi Ninad,
I had used IDOC packaging in one of my scenario, which is very similar to yours. I dont know how many idoc are coming from source system. I put 100 in the IDOC package size parameter. when you put 100 in this parameter it will create a file wil maximum 100 idocs if your system is sending more than 100 than it will create send file
For example from source system you are getting 150 idocs so 2 files will be created
file1 conatins 100 idocs, file2 contains 50 idocs
Regards,
Shradha

PI Message Packaging / Idoc packaging

Hi experts,
i heard message packaging in PI was kind of new. Is there a difference between message packaging and idoc packaging ?
Do you know any blogs or links about how to set it up ?
Kind regards,
Jamal

Hi,
first there was only IDoc packaging -> now you have message packaging (what includes IDoc packaging).
This will give you a good overview:
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/40a10c62-d000-2a10-c1a6-dbb3ce727300
Here is an example configuration:
/people/william.li/blog/2008/03/07/step-by-step-guide-in-processing-high-volume-messages-using-pi-71s-message-packaging
And here is one more useful documentation:
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/10b54994-f569-2a10-ad8f-cf5c68a9447c
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Patrick

What is the difference beween idoc package and idoc collection

Hi friends,
    i am unable to understand difference betwen Idoc package and Idoc cillection.
    Please give me clear clarification.
Thanks and regards
Bhanu

Hi Bhanu,
Apart from the replies above, in case you're looking for an answer from ECC perspective, here are some inputs: (ECC is considered as sender here)
1. IDoc Collection:
   This will collect the IDocs and will not immediately send it to the target system after they are created. Program RSEOUT00 can be later scheduled for these collected IDocs to deliver them to the target. You can treat this as a park and process approach which proves useful in several business scenarios.
This standard link gives more insight:
SAP Library - IDoc Interface/ALE
2. IDoc Packaging:
    This defines the number of IDocs to be packed and sent in 1 RFC call (tRFC). If you set is as 20, then 20 IDocs will be sent in 1 tRFC request. This doesn't connote whether the IDocs will be triggered immediately or later, this just talks about the bundling of IDocs per RFC call.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Abhishek

Idoc packaging for Receiver Idoc adapter in 7.11

We are using PI 7.11. And, I have a File to Idoc scenario. I am trying to find an Idoc packaging option for Receiver Idoc adapter. Any suggestions on how to do configure thi scenario?
Thanks
abhinaya4321
Edited by: abhinaya4321 on Dec 3, 2011 12:15 PM

hi,
We are using PI 7.11. And, I have a File to Idoc scenario. I am trying to find an Idoc packaging option for Receiver Idoc adapter. Any suggestions on how to do configure ?
that is possible with message packaging concept it is suitable for you requirement
go through below links:
http://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/scn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/10b54994-f569-2a10-ad8f-cf5c68a9447c.
http://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/scn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/10b54994-f569-2a10-ad8f-cf5c68a9447c?QuickLink=index&overridelayout=true
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