If not live updating when DO smart playlists update?

I have so, so many smart playlists that I think my iTunes is starting to drag. So I'm starting to uncheck "Live Updating". So when do these playlists update? When I view them? Is there some trigger I don't know about? Is there a way to do a playlist update sweep?

Oh poops, I hate when people do this. I found the answer, finally, like immediately after posting. I think.
Via http://www.smartplaylists.com/ I found this thread (searching here didn't get me to it): http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1742897
I don't love the answer, but there it is.
(Open the Edit Smart Playlist window, hit OK)

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Scenario:
I have a smartplaylist with live updating ticked in itunes. this playlists looks for tracks with a star rating between 4 and 5 stars and places them in the playlist. in itunes when i listen to new music with no rating and i give it a rating that meets this rule it works and places that said track in the playlist.
I then sync my ipod and the updated playlist with the new tracks that i have just rated goes on there. all good so far.
But when i rate a track on my ipod when i am away from my computer and i give it 4 or 5 stars it does not "live update" and place it on the said playlist. I have to wait untill i get home and synce with my itunes library for the newly rated tracks to go on my desired playlist.
isnt that the point of "live updating" playlists?
I should be able to rate a track and for it to go onto this playlist whilst i am "on the go"
This way of working always worked on my other ipods. just not with my touch.
any help or advice? is this a known software bug to do with the touch?
Thanks for reading, Comments and suggestions welcome.

Yes, I've had this problem several times. There seem to be certain criteria you can't use in a playlist and expect it to work on you iPod. I don't know if this will solve your problem but here's what I've figured out:
I have a 5G ipod classic. Any playlists that I've created using the criteria 'podcast is true/false' won't live update on the iPod. I've solved this by changing the criteria to 'genre contains podcast' and that works just fine.
The playlists that I've created using the 'playlist is' AND selecting one of (oh how to put this) iTunes library playlists that appear at the top of itunes (in my case "Music" and "TV Shows") (the ones with the icons), also do not live update on the ipod. For whatever reason, these default playlists seem to break live updating on the iPod, but not in iTunes. I got around it by using a whole list of genres to include/exclude to create my music playlist (there's probably a better way to do it). For my playlists that contain TV shows, I set all the TV shows I've ripped from my DVD's to have a genre of 'music and television' and use that to create a playlist. That also works.
You stated that you use the rating criteria to create your playlist, but might you also be using the default lists at the top too? of course, i'm not using an ipod touch so maybe this isn't helpful. I hope it is, because i know how crazy this was making me... good luck...

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As I know for current moment few parameters do not work for live updateble smart playlist. Try to remove Podcast and Video Kind from your playlist(s).
It's possible replace Podcast parametr for "Genre is Podcast"(or set your podcasts genre), and Video Kind for Kind is contains video.
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I also have a live-updating Smart Playlist (for all files where the Kind includes 'video' and the playcount is 0) to catch these files as they come in. I have this playlist as one of the ones set to be automatically updated on my iPod.
However, in my test runs, the video is properly converted and added to my iTunes library, and the Smart Playlist picks it up as well. However, it does not then send the file to my iPod (which is already in its dock) unless I first eject the iPod and reconnect it.
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Welcome to the Discussions Steavis,
As far as I know, a sync to the iPod only occurs upon the first attachment, as long as your settings are set for such action.
The iPod will only sync after the initial attachment if you initiate the sync yourself. I believe it is in a pull-down menu, and/or CTRL-Click the iPod in the source list and select "Sync".
I am not sure if that is all correct, but in my experience, if I have connected my iPod, it syncs, then I say load in a CD to iTunes, I must re-sync the iPod before they transfer.
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I had the old original iphone then upgraded to the 3G S. When i had my original, it came with pre-set smart lists that updated automatically (like literally the second u changed the rating to 5 stars, that song appeared in ur top rated list). Well as u know the 3G S doesn't come with said lists. Further more when i tried to create those smart lists on my own, they do not update at ALL!! I've tried to make one that was a top 25, recently added, and top rated, and none of these have worked at all....
Is there a way to NOT have to connect ur iphone to ur computer for these lists to update?? also if i rate them 5 stars on my computer it works but not when i do it only on my phone.. i dont want to have to plug it all the **** time when i change my mind about wanting a song on my playlist.
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...to all playlists.
However, [Music Videos] still show up in my music playlists. This is particularly a problem because, using [Rivet], every playlist that has any video of any kind gets added to the folder tree on [Xbox]>iTunes>Videos which clutters it significantly. I expected that:
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2) Create another smart playlist called 'Music Videos' where [Video Kind] is [Music Video] and then add [Playlist] is not [Music Videos] to every music playlist.
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Apparently, this was a common complaint back in 2007. Well, I am still having this problem.
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You might find our little Discussion of this whole Smart Playlist issue:
http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=1514307#1514307
interesting.
In particular, Smart Playlists containing Podcasts have yet to have their functionality restored as I have been discussing with Level 2 Support:
http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=1683550
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=1536677#1536677
Kind regards,
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