Illustrator 10, Convert to Profile: mental block or sudden blindness?

I've either hit a mental block or have become temporarily blind, but I cannot find "Convert to Profile" in Illustrator 10.0.3 Mac, running Tiger 10.4.11.
Any hint or slap on the head that might jog my memory will be appreciated. The Help files have not been helpful yet. As the fortune cookie said, old age always comes at a most inopportune time.
Thanks in advance.
Wo Tai Lao Le
我太老了

steve fairbairn wrote:
Or do you mean Assign Current Working Space (colour profile) when opening a file?
No! When you Assign a profile, you preserve the numbers but you change (wreck the hell out of) the colors. When you Convert to a Profile, you change the numbers but you preserve the colors.
It seems that old AI 10 did not have such a menu Command in the Edit menu, as Photoshop has, so the workaround would be to close the file and pen it again, at which time you do get presented with the choice of CONVERTING to a profile.
steve fairbairn wrote:
Edit:
Edit > Color Settings (Cmd+Shift+K)
No, Changing your Color settings is a global dialog box that affects your working space, not your open document.
Thank you for your time anyway.

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hi Pfaffenbichler,
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"3) Then I placed it to InDesign (in Color Settings: Color Management Policy/CMYK: Preserve Embedded Profiles , I think this has to be set before creating document)"
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