IMac DV 400 mhz G3 CPU upgrade

Ok i have a iMac DV Slot loading with a G3 400 mhz processor in it is is possible to upgrade to a G4 processor and if i can how much should it cost and where can i have it done?
iMac DV G3 M5521 Mac OS X (10.3.9) 400 mhz 512K L2 Cache/ 192 ram/ 20 gig hd/dvd

fastmac.com offers a G4 processor upgrade, and there have been a few other processor upgrades available from various companies. The problem with slot loaders is that the CPU is soldered to the board, and thus requires you to send your entire logic board to them.
Its not particularly cheap either, and when you are done, you still have the same outdated graphics card, small screen, slow system bus, less capable optical drive, etc. YOu may find your money better spent on something like a used eMac or G4 iMac, which can probably be had pretty cheap nowadays and offer a lot more advantages. If you have a screen around, a mac mini would be a much better deal.

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I’m not experienced at any modifications except adding RAM!
I have looked at the discussions in the “Retired Intel/AMD” forum and am beginning to have second thoughts about all this but just wanted a definitive answer from the experts please!
I have a K7T Pro MS6330 board with BIOS version 1.4, (is that reeeally old?) according to the bootup screen and a AMD Athlon 750Mhz processor. I haven’t yet looked at which board version I have…. The manual says an upgrade “to 900Mhz or above”.
Having checked the AMD & MSI’s sites I believe can upgrade the CPU to a Athlon 1.2Ghz providing the board has a v1.6 or later BIOS. So far so good. I’m not sure which bios update I should use. Can I use the latest version available i.e version 3.6 or only version 1.6 ?. Apart from a new fan/cooler will I need a different power supply? What else might I need to install?
If I shouldn’t tackle all this what would be the highest rated Athlon I could use with the current BIOS? If it’s say a 950 Mhz & fan (but no PSU change ) would it really be worth it for an extra 150Mhz? The system’s used for word processing, surfing, some gaming but not much else. I really wanted to upgrade before the motherboard’s too old.
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H

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/cpu_support/cpu/spt_cpu_detail.php?UID=97%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&NAME=MS-6330
are cpu you can use
3.5 was last actually relevant to your board bits in 3.6 will never effect you
follow directions and you will be fine
if using ntfs on drives get none fat 32 method
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/bios/bos/spt_bos_detail.php?UID=97%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&NAME=MS-6330
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/bios/bos/spt_bos_detail.php?UID=97%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&NAME=MS-6330

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I have checked the System Profile before the hard drive gives up the ghost and the firmware will need updated. The Mac has OS 9.0 on it. Had to buy a OS 9.0 full version disk on eBay (to install on the new drive) and happened to find the 9.2.1 update CD at a garage sale last year! Have downloaded the 9.2.2 update from the Apple website.
After I replace the hard drive and install OS 9.0, the 9.2.1 and 9.2.2 updates and the firmware update, here is my question:
Can Tiger be installed after the above installations, or would I have to install Jaguar (that's the other version of OS X I have on hand) before Tiger can be installed?
I want to use the iMac as an "all-in-one" DVD player for the most part. Tried playing a DVD on it before the factory hard drive started messing up again, but it couldn't find the video card or something. Am sure the hard drive is losing files as it's slowly dying...
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Hello and Welcome to Apple Discussions.
It's far better to start your own thread then resurrect one from the end of last year - if you do you'll get several opinions.
10.2.8 is a useable OS and if you have no legacy OS9 applications then you don't need to keep the OS 9 System Folder or Applications (the former of which allows OS X to run Classic mode). Just delete them. Before you delete OS 9 boot in to it ( Apple Menu > System Preferences... > Startup Disk ) and ensure that you have installed this firmware update (link). Technically it is required prior to OS X but will cause serious harm if you go above 10.2.8 without it. After that you can delete OS 9.
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I got hands on a :
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PowerMac2,1 (PowerPC 750)
Order No. M7493LL/A*
EMC: 1821
DHHS: LA
ATI Rage 128VR (2D/3D) AGP 2x (8MB VRAM)
Date Oct. 5, 1999
Disc Date July 19, 2000
I already updated the firmware to 4.1.9 and installed Mac OS X Tiger (10.4.11) and OS 9.2.2.
I currently have the Matshita 8184 (Panasonic) DVD ROM (SlotIn) with Firmware AA31.
I read there was a AA27 before and I also read that there is an update 1.0
When I tried to install Firmware Update 1.0, it said, it already got updated.
I even found Firmware Update 1.1 for the DVD ROM (fixes audio cd readability)
http://www.macworld.com/article/1021740/dvdrom.html
(but it clearly sayys only for 400MHz DV Special Edition. More about that in the next chapter)
I wanted to test the machine using your Apple Hardware Test, but I was told, that there never was a AHT for my 1999 machine.
I was also told that there was a "iMac 400 MHz DV Special Edition" in mid 2000, which supported the AHT (1.0.1 (?)) and its only difference to my iMac 400 MHz DV would be the ATI 128 Pro instead of a 128vr. (?)
Are there any other differences ? Would that AHT run on my machine then ? I ask because :
I read that AHT 1.1 might work on my machine as well :
Apple Hardware Test 1.1 for IMac G3,....?
So, questions would be :
1.) What other differences, except for the Graphics Adapter are between my iMac 400MHz DV and the iMac 400 MHz DV SE ?
2.) Is there a Hardware Test for my iMac ?
3.) Will the DVD Firmware Update 1.1 install on my Matshita 8184 (Panasonic) DVD ROM and which version would it be ?
Or does the iMac 400MHt DV SE has a differentr DVD ROM model and if so, which one ?
4.) Is there a way to choose between OS 9 and OS X on booting up ? Pressing "C" will only show the OS that I selected via StartVolume before.
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1. Is their some type of marker on the Mac that can tell what model it is?
Based on the model number, here's your Mac:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermacg4/stats/powermac_g4_4002.html
It is a Gigabit Ethernet model.
The linked page lists many of the options that you have.
Further info is here:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3082?viewlocale=en_US
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Processor wise, the GE also had a dual 450MHz and a dual 500MHz processor. These would be a plug and play upgrade.
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More regarding that topic here:
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kayjh wrote:
With this computer I will primarily: surf the internet, use Skype, edit pictures iLife) edit video.
The processor upgrade will only give you about a 9% speed improvement in CPU-bound operations, which you probably would only see when transcoding video (mainly import/export video in iMovie). 8GB RAM only matters if you are running an application or combination of applications that use more than 4GB.
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You may get a better/quicker response from folks with a Mac like yours.
Here is a link to the correct forum for your post;
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