Image contains camera White Balance setting; LR 5.5 only shows "As Shot", "Auto", and "Custom"
I have a new, Panasonic DMC-GX7. I shot a bunch of photos as JPGs. When viewing their Exif data using Exiftool, I can clearly see the camera's White Balance setting, as well as the Color Temp Kelvin, WB Red Level, WB Green Level, and WB Blue Level. However, Lightroom 5.5 only shows "As Shot", "Auto", and "Custom" when I click White Balance under Quick Develop on the Library tab or WB under Basic on the Develop tab. Exiftool shows the Exif Version as 0230 and the Panasonic Exif Version as 0405. Is LR looking for the white balance information in some other field? Do I need to configure it somehow for my camera? I am new to LR (but not to image processing), so could use some help figuring this out.
The whole question is not so simple as converting to DNG. Yes DNG is openly documented, yes the file can be read, but that does not mean it can be correctly interpreted by other software in the future and the best you can then do is starting the PP of your images from scratch. Imagine a DNG with LR adjustments that in some years you open the file in another software, possibly non-Adobe. Even if the file can be read it will not look the same, as the Adobe specific developing instructions could not be strictly followed. Even if all software manufactures agreed on a common set of adjustments, let's say everybody had a Highlights slider and a Clarity slider and so on, which is unlikely, the results would still be different as the underlying algorithms would be different.
Disclaimer: I only shoot raw and firmly believe it is the best option, but one must be conscious it has some shortcomings related to the future of our images.
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Can you remove the camera white balance setting in Aperture
I have a Canon 7D and use Aperture for processing and storing my images.
With the Canon I shoot both video and still and frequently adjust the white balance in the camera. I make a frequent mistake in leaving the wrong white balance setting on - eg when taking video indoors in the evening I set the white balance to indoors (the Canon seems poor at white balance decision making on video) and then I forget I'm not using auto white balance and switch to taking a photo with flash. The result is a horrible blue photo - which if I don't spot the problem at the time seems very hard to correct afterwards.
I use the Aperture white balance adjustments frequently but unless there is a patch or white or grey I an use the dropper on, I find this particular situation seems to be right off the scale of what I can fix in Aperture. I end up with sliders at the extremes of the scales and no intuitive sense of what numbers to type in manually to try and get realistic colour - so I often end up discarding these photos even if the shot itself is something I'd like to use.
So my question is given I'm importing RAW, is there a way to show the phoo without the (wrong) white balance setting I applied in the camera, to let me choose white balance from scratch?
Or if not, do you have any advice about how to adjust from this very bluey unrealistic colour of image?Kirkby - thanks for the quick reply.
Didn't know you could drag inside a value field - that's helpful.
But being able to get different numbers on the slider isn't the root of my problem.
In a specific example I have two photos - one taken with white balance set to flash and the photo was with flash, where after a bit of tweaking to get the colour I want the temp slider is at 5000K (and tint 0). The second photo has my shooting error with interior lighting white balance but taken with flash. The two shots were taken from almost the same point of the same view (but different people in frame). The shot with the white balance error comes off camera horribly blue coloured. I can fiddle with the two sliders - I take temperature to 20000K and tint to 40 to do the best with it I can, and with those settings one of the two faces is approaching flesh colour but the wall behind the subjects (which is a light blue in reality) is now appearing light yellow in places. I just can't get a good looking colour effect no matter ow extreme the slider settings.
I may have phrased my question badly - as I totally agree you can't show a raw without a colour setting - so maybe I'm better asking to be able to use a different colour setting on the raw data rather than having to start with adjustments on top of my white balance mistake.
Given the two shots were in the same place against the same background and the same lighting (both with flash) it seems to me I ought to be able to get a similar colour effect on both and I just can't. To illustrate here are the two photos (the one on the left was shot with flash wb and in Aperture I'm viewing it with 5000K and 0 tint, the one on the right was shot with indoor wb and in Aperture I'm viewing it with 20000K and 40 tint and it looks terrible!)
https://www.box.com/shared/qle3t6ovyhrd1egez3vc -
Removing blue cast/tint from JPG (wrong white balance setting while taking picture)
Hi,
Photosohop newb here, still using CS3 (10.0), so please be patient.
I was at a convention not long ago, where I took lots of pictures with my phone. I only noticed at home, that a few of the pictures came out with an intense blue cast because of a bad white balance setting (I must have accidentally changed it).
I was trying to fix the image for the last 2 hours, with no real luck. I tried everything under Image -> Adjustments -> "Auto Color", "Color Levels" and "Match Color", moving the sliders up and down to get the best match. The best I could come up with was still far away from the other pictures I took the same day.
Here is one of the bad pictures: http://imgur.com/vw12aTQ
And here is one I took just a minute later with the "normal" setting: http://imgur.com/RMFm7fo
I actually got a pretty good match by cutting out some of the cobblestones from both pictures and using "Match Color" -> "Source", but I couldn't apply this technique to the whole picture.
Could somebody please help me to make the colors of the first picture similar to the second one?
Thank you,
RolandHere's an easy fix...
Choose Image - Adjust - Curves, then click the Gray Point dropper and sample something in the image that should be a neutral gray - say one of the stones on the ground. Click in various places until you like what you see.
-Noel -
Iphoto not recognizing my preset manual white balance setting on my Nikon D3100
hi there.
i've been using iPhoto to edit my photos uploaded as RAW, from my Nikon D3100. While i've been very satisfied with the results, i've run across a small problem. i've used various white balance settings on my camera: incandescent, flourescent, auto white balance, and recently started using the manual white balance. when uploading pictures to iphoto, the photo has indicated what white balance setting i have used, except when i use my manual white balance feature, the information shows up as AWB (automatic white balance).
can somebody please explain to me why this is? any other setting i use shows up with the appropriate icon, according to what i choos on my camera. is this a glitch? what is the manual white balance setting icon supposed to look like in iPhoto?
Again, I shoot in RAW, and upload directly to iPhoto successfully, as RAW.I think this article will help explain this
and this one from Adobe
— Raw files have not had while balance set. They are tagged with whatever the camera's setting was, (either that which was manually set or via auto-white-balance), but the actual data has not been changed. This allows one to set any colour temperature and white balance one wishes after the fact with no image degradation. It should be understood that once the file has been converted from the linear space and has had a gamma curve applied (such as in a JPG) white balance can no longer be properly done.
So the displaed WB is simply a tag and has no effect on the image - it is simply information about the camera settings
LN -
Canon 5D MK II white balance set as K does not import correctly
With a 5D II and the Kelvin white balance set in the camera the WB does not import correctly for RAW files and LR 2.4. For example when set to a specified white balance as a Kelvin setting, for example 5200, and then import the raw files with "As Shot" specified or subsequently WB to "As Shot" in Develop module the white balance is set to 4850 +1 (in the example of 5200). The pre set WB options provided inthe camera do work correctly.
Does anyone know if there is a way to set this up to work correctly? Has anyone else experienced this issue?
Thank you.Does anyone know if there is a way to set this up to work correctly? Has anyone else experienced this issue?
Lightroom does work correctly. The numbers are different, but the appearance ot the colour temperature matches. The way I understand it, cameras don't actually store Kelvin numbers, but store colour space co-ordinates instead. LR and your Canon are interpreting the RAW values into different colour spaces, so the kelvin values and tint numbers will differ.
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APPLE COMPUTER:
THREE BASIC QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED.
1. HOW DOES THE WHITE BALANCE TOOL WORK IN APERTURE?
2. HOW DO YOUR SOFTWARE ENGINEERS AND "PHOTOGRAPHIC CONSULTANTS" USE IT TO SET WHITE BALANCE?
3. WHAT ARE THE SIMILARITIES AND/OR DIFFERENCES IN ITS USE AS COMPARED TO SIMILAR TOOLS IN CAPTURE ONE PRO AND ADOBE PHOTOSHOP?Test Results:
Aperture 1.1:
Image Temperature: 3594
Tint: -17
When using the white balance tool on a white section of a photo, the RGB values changed from R 255 G 234 B 192 to R 255 G 230 B 197 and the Temperature changed to 3946 and Tint to 12.
The photo still remained unacceptable.
When usint the white balance tool on a grey section of the same photo, the RGB values cahnge from R 211 G 178 B 126 to R 208 G 180 B 162 and the Temperatue changed to 3154 and Tint to 2.
The photo still remained unacceptable but was notably improved.
Using Capture One Pro, the results were as follows:
Temperatue: 3850
Tint: -10
When using the white balance tool on a white section of the same photo, the RGB values changed from R 255 G 241 B 200 to R 244 G 244 B 244 and the Temperature changed to 2500 and Tint to -16.
Photo was very acceptable with no perceivable colour cast.
When using the white balance tool on a grey section of the same photo, the RGB values changed from R 190 G 153 B 108 to R 153 G 153 B 153 and Temperature to 2550 and Tint to -2.
Photo was very acceptable with no perceivable colour cast.
From this quick test on a photo, I can draw the following conclusions:
1. Aperture interprets temperature and tint data differently from Capture One Pro, although this likely due to the use of a camera profile within Capture One Pro;
2. Using the white balance tool in Aperture on a "white" section does not neutralize the RGB values;
3. Using the white balance tool in Aperture on a "white" section does not correctly remove a colour cast within a photograph;
4. Using the white balance tool in Aperture on a "grey" section does not neutralize the RGB values; and
5. Using the white balance tool in Aperture on a "grey" section does not correctly remove a colour cast within a photograph, although it does work better. -
I was using the converter for a few months and it was working fine. Now it will convert the files, but the color is really messed. I know it is not the white balance, because the same files convert fine to TIF files through Nikon's software. I am using this converter for Nikon d610 NEF files. Here's a sample DNG and the same image in TIF. Can anyone help? Thanks!
When you use the DNG Converter to make a DNG from an NEF, the DNG Converter applies the default Camera Raw settings. When I open your DNG it looks fine, but when you open it, it looks off. That is because you've some how set your Camera Raw defaults to have a bunch of customized settings specific to a particular picture, instead of having them all be normal settings. Below you'll see what Photoshop is saying the settings of the DNG-Converted-JPG are, with the non-defaults marked in bold. The main problems are the WB being custom and a bunch of HSL setting changes.
Here is what Photoshop reports that the JPG was created using:
<rdf:Description rdf:about=""
xmlns:crs="http://ns.adobe.com/camera-raw-settings/1.0/">
<crs:RawFileName>hug_8290_0215_1.dng</crs:RawFileName>
<crs:Version>6.0</crs:Version>
<crs:ProcessVersion>5.7</crs:ProcessVersion>
<crs:WhiteBalance>Custom</crs:WhiteBalance>
<crs:Temperature>5732</crs:Temperature>
<crs:Tint>+26</crs:Tint>
<crs:Exposure>0.00</crs:Exposure>
<crs:Shadows>5</crs:Shadows>
<crs:Brightness>+50</crs:Brightness>
<crs:Contrast>+25</crs:Contrast>
<crs:Saturation>-4</crs:Saturation>
<crs:Sharpness>90</crs:Sharpness>
<crs:LuminanceSmoothing>0</crs:LuminanceSmoothing>
<crs:ColorNoiseReduction>25</crs:ColorNoiseReduction>
<crs:ChromaticAberrationR>0</crs:ChromaticAberrationR>
<crs:ChromaticAberrationB>0</crs:ChromaticAberrationB>
<crs:VignetteAmount>0</crs:VignetteAmount>
<crs:ShadowTint>0</crs:ShadowTint>
<crs:RedHue>0</crs:RedHue>
<crs:RedSaturation>+11</crs:RedSaturation>
<crs:GreenHue>0</crs:GreenHue>
<crs:GreenSaturation>0</crs:GreenSaturation>
<crs:BlueHue>+12</crs:BlueHue>
<crs:BlueSaturation>+2</crs:BlueSaturation>
<crs:FillLight>0</crs:FillLight>
<crs:Vibrance>-6</crs:Vibrance>
<crs:HighlightRecovery>0</crs:HighlightRecovery>
<crs:Clarity>0</crs:Clarity>
<crs:Defringe>0</crs:Defringe>
<crs:HueAdjustmentRed>0</crs:HueAdjustmentRed>
<crs:HueAdjustmentOrange>0</crs:HueAdjustmentOrange>
<crs:HueAdjustmentYellow>+1</crs:HueAdjustmentYellow>
<crs:HueAdjustmentGreen>+5</crs:HueAdjustmentGreen>
<crs:HueAdjustmentAqua>0</crs:HueAdjustmentAqua>
<crs:HueAdjustmentBlue>-9</crs:HueAdjustmentBlue>
<crs:HueAdjustmentPurple>0</crs:HueAdjustmentPurple>
<crs:HueAdjustmentMagenta>0</crs:HueAdjustmentMagenta>
<crs:SaturationAdjustmentRed>-2</crs:SaturationAdjustmentRed>
<crs:SaturationAdjustmentOrange>+14</crs:SaturationAdjustmentOrange>
<crs:SaturationAdjustmentYellow>+25</crs:SaturationAdjustmentYellow>
<crs:SaturationAdjustmentGreen>+26</crs:SaturationAdjustmentGreen>
<crs:SaturationAdjustmentAqua>0</crs:SaturationAdjustmentAqua>
<crs:SaturationAdjustmentBlue>+32</crs:SaturationAdjustmentBlue>
<crs:SaturationAdjustmentPurple>0</crs:SaturationAdjustmentPurple>
<crs:SaturationAdjustmentMagenta>0</crs:SaturationAdjustmentMagenta>
<crs:LuminanceAdjustmentRed>+40</crs:LuminanceAdjustmentRed>
<crs:LuminanceAdjustmentOrange>+13</crs:LuminanceAdjustmentOrange>
<crs:LuminanceAdjustmentYellow>+3</crs:LuminanceAdjustmentYellow>
<crs:LuminanceAdjustmentGreen>+15</crs:LuminanceAdjustmentGreen>
<crs:LuminanceAdjustmentAqua>+3</crs:LuminanceAdjustmentAqua>
<crs:LuminanceAdjustmentBlue>+4</crs:LuminanceAdjustmentBlue>
<crs:LuminanceAdjustmentPurple>0</crs:LuminanceAdjustmentPurple>
<crs:LuminanceAdjustmentMagenta>0</crs:LuminanceAdjustmentMagenta>
<crs:SplitToningShadowHue>231</crs:SplitToningShadowHue>
<crs:SplitToningShadowSaturation>32</crs:SplitToningShadowSaturation>
<crs:SplitToningHighlightHue>45</crs:SplitToningHighlightHue>
<crs:SplitToningHighlightSaturation>33</crs:SplitToningHighlightSaturation>
<crs:SplitToningBalance>+74</crs:SplitToningBalance>
<crs:ParametricShadows>-39</crs:ParametricShadows>
<crs:ParametricDarks>-7</crs:ParametricDarks>
<crs:ParametricLights>-15</crs:ParametricLights>
<crs:ParametricHighlights>+14</crs:ParametricHighlights>
<crs:ParametricShadowSplit>25</crs:ParametricShadowSplit>
<crs:ParametricMidtoneSplit>50</crs:ParametricMidtoneSplit>
<crs:ParametricHighlightSplit>75</crs:ParametricHighlightSplit>
<crs:SharpenRadius>+1.0</crs:SharpenRadius>
<crs:SharpenDetail>25</crs:SharpenDetail>
<crs:SharpenEdgeMasking>0</crs:SharpenEdgeMasking>
<crs:PostCropVignetteAmount>-24</crs:PostCropVignetteAmount>
<crs:PostCropVignetteMidpoint>50</crs:PostCropVignetteMidpoint>
<crs:PostCropVignetteFeather>97</crs:PostCropVignetteFeather>
<crs:PostCropVignetteRoundness>0</crs:PostCropVignetteRoundness>
<crs:PostCropVignetteStyle>1</crs:PostCropVignetteStyle>
<crs:PostCropVignetteHighlightContrast>0</crs:PostCropVignetteHighlightContrast>
<crs:GrainAmount>0</crs:GrainAmount>
<crs:ColorNoiseReductionDetail>50</crs:ColorNoiseReductionDetail>
<crs:ConvertToGrayscale>False</crs:ConvertToGrayscale>
<crs:ToneCurveName>Medium Contrast</crs:ToneCurveName>
<crs:CameraProfile>Adobe Standard</crs:CameraProfile>
<crs:CameraProfileDigest>51B4314CF8312BA027EF3FC60481FB35</crs:CameraProfileDigest>
<crs:HasSettings>True</crs:HasSettings>
To fix the problem you're gonna need to reset your camera raw defaults:
And then be careful when saving new camera raw defaults with the menu item just above, that your image has the camera raw defaults applied to it, except whatever small change you want to be the new default. -
6500 classic: how to save "White balance" setting ...
Hello, when I activate the camera, the image looks like filled with blue, so I need to go to camera settings, click "White balance", and select "Daylight" instead of "Automatic" - now the picture will be perfect. But next time when I activate the camera, I should repeat this step again.
How to save "White balance" settings to "Daylight" forever?Unfortunately it's not possible.
The setting will only be effective for one session. Once you close the camera application they will revert to default.
...who's more foolish?, the fool or the one who follows him?... ovi-wan -
I shot (as a guest) at a wedding this past weekend and was playing around with some of the in-camera custom white balance to get around the lovely green and magenta lighting at the reception.
Aperture's processing of these RAW files is COMPLETELY borked. It's not even close.
Here's the embedded preview Aperture was using:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/506024/aperture/preview.png
Here's the Aperture rendered file:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/506024/aperture/rendered.png
Here's DPP's render:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/506024/aperture/dpp.png
Finally, here's the original:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/506024/aperture/330C0579.CR2
Lightroom renders similar to the other pictures in the set where I wasn't using the in-camera settings...Bizarre is a good word!
I have tested your original in both Aperture 3.2.4 (in Snow Leopard) and Aperture 3.3.1 (in Lion), and also in Preview, Photoshop CS5 and Graphic Converter.
In 3.2.4 it is a challenge to know where to begin. In 3.3.1, and choosing Temperature & Tint option in White Balance rather than Skin or Gray, the starting image is very much the same as that in PS CS5, while with Skin or Gray, the result is equally bizarre to that in 3.2.4, and also in Preview. Graphic Converter, which is not really a RAW converter looked a lot like Preview.
When I look at the EXIF (btw the original is a different shot than the other image links) I note that ISO is 12800 (probably the top?) while shutter is 1 1/640th of a second. In orhter words what I would call extreme settings for this venue and available light.
Also, the High/Low shading is a totally different hot color than anything I have seen -- more orange than red.
What version of Aperture are you using?
Ernie -
Can camera white balance be adjusted?
A friend of mine has taken some images that look like old images that have weathered/faded over time, but they are brand new! I suggested that it looked like the white balance was set wrong. Is there any way to adjust it (it looked like it was set to florescent lighting)?
The default Camera app does not have an adjustment for white balance. But there are other camera apps in the App Store that have this feature. There are also photo editing apps that allow changes to white balance. The iPhoto app is one of many.
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Correcting wrong white balance setting in RAW .CR2 photo
I set my camera custom white balance incorrectly and took a days worth of photos in RAW mode. When imported into iPhoto they have terrible coloring (as expected). iPhoto does not seem to have a WB adjustment (Daylight, Tungsten, Fluorescent, etc.), so i opened the .CR2 files with Canon Photo Professional and changed the WB setting for the photos to 'AUTO' correct colors and saved. When i import them back into iPhoto, the while balance is unchanged (but when i re-open them in Canon P P they have correct color). Does anyone know how to get iPhoto to import with this modified WB setting?
Source: Canon 20D RAW format
Thanks for any help!You would need to export the files from DPP as tiffs or something similar. There is no way iPhoto will see the adjustment by DPP otherwise.
For White Balance in iPhoto check out the Temperature and Tint pane in the Adjustments - check out the eye dropper.
Regards
TD
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