Image Processor: Include ICC Profile?

I shot jpg sRGB. Should I include the ICC profile when extracting images? The images will be uploaded to zenfolio.com and made available for print sales. Looking for guidelines and what you folks do. Thank-you.

Hi,
Do you have Include ICC Profile checked at the bottom of the Image Processor dialog?

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Have come accross an issue in Photoshop 6 when using the Image Processor to output to .jpg. All photos are being converted without a color profile (untagged) even though the Convert Profile to sRGB is checked. Help!

Hi,
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Adobe Photoshop CS3 Image Processor not converting files to sRGB Profile

I have been experiencing a problem with Photoshop CS3 Image Processor no longer converting profiles to sRGB. It converts all of the files from Camera Raw to JPEG, but not sRGB as well. I used to be able to batch convert an entire folder of RAW images to JPEG, sRGB through the Image Processor.
My Photoshop CS3 Working Space is Adobe RGB (1998). I need to convert an entire folder of images selected in Bridge to sRGB working space in order to publish a photo album from one of the on-line publishing companies. I can open each individual Camera Raw file in Photoshop and convert each to JPEG, sRGB, but this takes a tremendous amount of time.
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Heh heh heh. It's always true that we find the answer just after making public our problems, which in turn we did after trying to find the problems ourselves for hours.
Thanks for following up with the answer.
-Noel

Image Processor applying Adobe RGB profile

Image Processor thru CS4 64bit is changing my CMYK files to Adobe RGB when saving as jpg.
I have 'Include ICC Profile' checked.
It is not running any other action.
Could someone enlighten me as to why this is happening please?
And if there is some code I can change to force it to retain my chosen profile?
Hope someone can help
Thanks

I had a look at the version that ships with CS4. There is a function named 'this.saveFile'. That function has an if statement 'if ( this.params["jpeg"] )' and finially in the if statement there is another if block... ( line 1551 )
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My book is being printed on icc profile US web coated swop v2 paper. Is it better to work on my images in this profile than sRGB.

is it better to work on an image in the icc profile than in sRGB

It depends. If you know positively that's the profile that will be used, you can do that (a lot of people use it just because it happens to be the Photoshop default).
Pro: you'll be working within Web Coated SWOP's limited gamut from the start, so you won't be disappointed when some colors are clipped in the final conversion. And they would be, because US Web Coated SWOP v2 is a very small color space. Don't expect deep saturated blues, for instance, because you won't get it.
Contra: You have to be very careful to not exceed TAC, total area coverage, while you work. This is the total amount of ink the paper can hold without smearing and/or drying issues. If you convert from an RGB profile this is taken care of automatically, because TAC is specified in the profile, but an adjustment in CMYK can easily push you over the limit. Can't recall what the specific limit is in this case, but somewhere around 300 to 310% should be safe. Ask the printer. You have to monitor this continually.

Image Processor not working for me. Help!

In a nearby thread I've reached a stumbling block. Image Processor in CS4's PS is not working for me. I have a folder of psd's generated on the fly via File > Export > Data Sets as File... and now I'm trying to process those psd's to generate a JPEG of each. The only strange characteristic of the auto-generated PSD files is that there is no image preview available within the Finder. When a psd is selected the preview pane reads:
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I've verified in my Preferences > File Handling that image previews are always saved. (But I've been using PS for a long time and previews are always available with all my manually saved work.)
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When I select run I get an error message: "Sorry, I could not process the following files:"
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mrdior wrote:
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The part I don't understand is the "export" Part. File > Export > Data Sets as File.. on my machine is grayed out so I don't know how this feature is used. Is Export > Data Sets as File... used with CSV data sets and Photoshop variables?
Check your Photoshop preferences and make sure you have set in the file handling tab "Maximize PSD and PSB File Compatibility:" to Always using the pull down menu. If that is not your current setting try setting that to see if the exported PSD files contain composite previews. When I use save as PSD on my system I alway see Photoshop save through up a popup window stating generating composite preview image.

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I guess that could mean that Adobe Camera Raw isn’t part of Photoshop’s Document Object Model.
But I suppose in such a case it should be possible to open all the images in ACR and apply the settings to all of them in one step with the Synchronize-button and then use a Script to save all open files.
Admittedly that would be less convenient than Your proposed way, but maybe someone else has a better idea.
»-Include ICC profile (no idea what this is, but it's checked)«
Please don’t take this the wrong way, but You should read up on color-management.
Not including the profile can generally be considered unprofessional (except maybe in an internet-specific context) and a potential source of problems.
An images’ pixels’ RGB-values can be correctly translated to the originally intended color only when the »key« (the icc-profile) for said translation is known.

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Some jpg images can't be resized using the Image Processor. I'm guessing there may be some setting (?) that prevents resizing but i can't find it. The images run through the Image Processor but retain their original size.
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Windows XP Pro, SP2
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- i looked at the file info in Bridge - nothing apparent there that would cause the problem
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Hi guys,
First of all, please forgive my poor english.
I have as usual been through all the forum-reading, answer-searching stuff.
I've been having a problem with Photoshop color management since my last Windows upgrade to 7.
Colors just won't display the same in Photoshop and outside Photoshop.
I understand this has something to do with ICC profiles and applications being color managed or not.
I just downloaded an ICC profile supposedly corresponding to my monitor (there : mine is the Dell E228WFPc, but their icc is for the E228WFP http://www.focus-numerique.com/test-42/-telecharger-un-profil-calibre-pour-son-ecran-dell- 24.html I decided to try it anyway, and the colors look good...).
I don't know what makes photos not look the same inside of Photoshop. It's the case for all photographs, including those that I postworked before my reinstallation of Windows.
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Color-management is simply the process of interpreting the colors in an image per a given document color profile, then preparing them for proper display on a device using a given device color profile. Profiles describe how color values are interpreted into real colors that we see.
Some of the first things to keep in mind with color-management are these:
Not all applications are color-managed. Many do not look at your monitor profile, and almost as many don't even look at your document profile.
Given the above, colors can be expected to look different in images displayed by applications that ARE color-managed vs. those that ARE NOT.
So in your case Photoshop, which is fully color-managed, is using both your image profile and your monitor-specific profile (and assuming they're accurate) to determine how to display colors on your monitor. This is NOT being done AT ALL in some apps, and only HALF being done in others (e.g., IE9 interprets the document profile but assumes your monitor is sRGB IEC61966-2.1).
You're seeing the differences.
Now, what's not a given is that your color profiles are accurately representing the color spaces of your document or display monitor. You may have prepared your document properly using a particular color profile, but what steps have you taken to ensure your monitor color profile accurately matches your monitor? That it's "the one" provided by the manufacturer may seem to be enough, but you don't really know what on-monitor settings or video card or cabling the manufaturer used to profile it, nor did they profile your particular copy. In short, factory monitor profiles are notoriously inaccurate.
You can choose to go in one of three directions:
1. Assume your factory monitor profile is accurate enough and just keep everything as it is.
2. Purchase a profiling device, follow their process for calibrating / profiling your display, and be sure your profile is accurate.
3. Assume your factory monitor profile is INACCURATE, replace it with the standard default sRGB IEC61966-2.1 profile, and work to set your monitor controls and video card curves manually to make colors displayed with the sRGB profile and this monitor as accurate as possible.
The 3rd scenario actually has some advantages if you can accomplish it.
-Noel

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(2.) Internet Browsers
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- M

Hello,
A note on monitor calibration: calibrating your monitor will not guarentee that every application will display color correctly, it's more of a step along the pipeline, and for the preview part of a color workflow it's the last step. Here's how color translation follows for an ICC workflow when previewing to a monitor:
Image Color Numbers > Document Tag or Workspace Profile > Monitor Profile
For non-color managed applications, if the original document is or isn't tagged with a color profile it will be translated directly to the monitor profile anyway. This is the equivalent in Photoshop of selecting "Monitor" in soft proofing. Selecting monitor in softproofing will bypass the tagged or workspace profile to translate colors directly through the monitor profile.
For most automatic color managed applications (like Firefox), the image will be translated through the tagged profile and then sent through the monitor profile. If the image is untagged or the profile is unrecognized, the colors get sent directly to the monitor profile.
For Photoshop, a tagged document will have its profile respected and then sent to the monitor. An untagged document will be assigned the workspace profile, which acts like a temporary document profile, and then gets sent to the monitor. This is often why users will notice Photoshop behaves differently from other applications. It's usually a case of the workspace coming into play. By default the workspace profile is set to sRGB. You can change this in Edit > Color Settings.
The purpose of the workspace is originally for printing workflows, as a way of keeping consistant color translations when dealing with both tagged and untagged documents. For web output workflows it can be useful for viewing everything through sRGB, which is typical of the average monitor output (not so with newer wide-gamut monitors, another source of confusion...) combined with the fact that originally most web browsers were not color managed. Hence viewing everything through sRGB is pretty close to what most monitors see and what untagged/unmanaged docs will look like.
Monitor calibration is useful only because it brings your monitor output to a "known state". In traditional workflows the monitor was always a middle-man, a preview device which was useful for getting an idea of what the printed output would look like before you print it. Since print colorspaces are often smaller than display spaces, it's feasible and useful to narrow down the monitor/display space and calibrate it to a known state, so that even if it doesn't totally match the print, you'll get used to its differences/limitations and they'll be consistent so long as the calibration is maintained.
For web output, your final output is often another user's computer monitor, which can have any form of behavior (most standard monitors are pretty close to sRGB, or use sRGB as an operating system workspace (default monitor profile). Wide gamuts behave differently, but I'm not sure if there's a particular ICC space that they closely match, or if different wide-gamuts are even that close to each other in their display color spaces.
Hope this helps!

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