Images kept after deletion

IPhoto 9.5.1 will keep images even after deleted AND trash is emptied.
I have Repaired the database, Rebuilt the Database and the images I can see in the master and thumbnail folders inside the actual library do not show up so they can be deleted.  They did at one time exist in the library, they were deleted and the trash emptied.  I am trying to find a way to have iPhoto clean itself.
Here are suggestions I can say I reject right now.  I will not extract all the images and import to a new library.  That is stupid since faces, locations and all organization is lost.  I take RAW and adjustments will be lost or the Raw lost.  I am looking for a apple or a representative to acknowledge a serious shortcoming in the software.  None of the tools that come in iPhoto can retrieve the images nor delete the images.  I could manually do it but this is a continual issue and a real Hard disk hog when deletion does not delete the files
Anyone found a real solution to this?

  I am looking for a apple or a representative to acknowledge a serious shortcoming in the software.  None of the tools that come in iPhoto can retrieve the images nor delete the images.
This is a User-to-User forum, so it is unlikely, that Apple representatives will post here to acknowledge shortcomings of the software.
But there is a well-known problem with iPhoto's trash.
If you put too many photos into the Trash at once, the Trash cannot be emptied.
If you put  photos into the Trash and then merge the events the photos were in with other events, they will stay in the library, even after you emptied the trash.
If your iPhoto library is on an unsupported drive, it may not be possible to move the photos to the trash (a network volume or unsupported filesystem)
I think, your problem is (2). You said, that our build the library. Did you see a "recovered" items event after you rebuild the library? If yes, mot of the photos, that had not been deleted, should have been collected in that event, and you can delete them from that event.
Else try to rebuild the library with iPhotoLibrary Manager as described by Old Toad in this post:
Re: Copying saved iphoto library from external hard drive back to Macbook Pro
The important part is:
make sure that in the rebuild window the checkbox  "Scavange orphaned photos" is checked.

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