Images printing over double page spreads

Hi all,
I was just about to order a new book through Aperture, when I looked closely at the PDF and noticed that there was image duplication when an image was placed across a double page spread - the duplication occurs right where the spine would be - about an inch (maybe less) or so of the photo is repeated on both the left and right pages. Has anyone else experienced a problem with this? Is this correct? Perhaps it's just allowing for the binding process. Any help gratefully taken - even more so if you could check your own printed books and see if there are any issues with images printed over a double page spread.
Thanks,
GT
PS - rwboyer - I just emailed you privately about this as well, to include an image - sorry if that is terribly rude.

Hi again,
I've answered by own question (or had it answered by Apple) - DO NOT drag an image box over the spine - it will cause a significant amount of duplication of the image on both the left and right pages. This will be reflected in the print version.
I've suggested to Apple that there should be something that stops users from doing this. In my opinion, it's not good enough that the software interface allows you to do this, only to screw it up at the print stage.
GT

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I am assuming that your paper is as large as the double spread.
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Hi again RB - thanks again for helping.
I can't seem to open your page today, but I was able to see it last night and confirm that you can do what I'm trying to do.....lucky guy!
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