Implementing an ESR Enterprise Service in Ecc 6.0

Hi experts,
I've finish to model my Enterprise Service in the ES Builder. So, now i want to implement that service in the ECC 6.0. How can i do that o what do i need ? I think that i have to configure an Abap proxy is that ok?
I need information please!!!!!!
Thanks for all.
Hope you can help me.
Regards.
Diego.

Hi guys, i solved my problem.
The thing is that you can`t implement an enterprise service directly from the ESR to any Ecc 6.0 ( some kind of publication ). You have to model this service in the ESR and then you can implement from the Ecc 6.0 with a conection between both enviroments.
hope it`s clear.
Thanks for all.
Diego.

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Would I need to identify which packages the content is in and then download these packages from SAP service marketplace? And has this to be done on PI side or on the backend side? Or both?
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The IDOC was designed to customize EDI data distributions between SAP Systems via messagetypes and transaktioncodes (Vorgangscodes) in the partnerdetermination which itself is mapped (the "Vorgangscode") to functional modules to do "something". The complete customizing of IDOC distribution might sometimes seems to be complex (and we both know it is more than that but it is FULL CUSTOMIZABLE from a consulting point of view.
The Enterprise Service (my personal view multiplied with the last TechEds and RampUp Delta courses) have another focus. An Enterprise Service is (mostly) some entity which is consumable from the outside world such that they are implemented with Request-Response patterns. When you only want to distribute information why will one use something like Request Response Patterns? One could argue to get back any response, any confirmation or something else....but this is also possible with IDOCs and their acks.
Another argument against to use an ES for P2P outbound scenario is, if yet not seen any ES which is triggert while create a purchase order in its related transaction. Is the BADI for such Transaction triggering the ES while the save event has been processed? If you could find out this fact and if the BADI (or some new kind of user exit for transactions) is implemented and fully supported from SAP I would choose the ES in the P2P processs. Otherwise why using the ES instead of the IDOC when using a PI as Middleware which is converting the source message type (ES or IDOC) into its proparitary legacy system format. Please let me know when you found such userexit/BADI for ES.
Please don't missunderstand my point of view, I would really throw away these IDOCS and using a couple of ES instead but what is the fully supported STANDARD from a customizable and manageable point of view. When you are familiar with proxy technology you know how easy to implement, monitor and manageble theses technology is - BUT - you always have to code some (maybe not release independent) proxy method and you maybe have to invest some knowledge for error handling, rollbacks or additional commit works - all of these stuff will be handled (mostly ) by the SAP standard delivered functions.
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I am in an assignment to leverage Enterprise Services in the project and as part of it i need to understand how we can use Enterprise Services for the following requirements which are well supported by ALE/Idoc functionality.
1) Master Data Distribution - We have ALE Change Pointers mechanism to track the changes done to the master data (Customer/Material/Vendor) and we can process the changes and create the idocs for the same by EOD. Changes are tracked based on the field level and interface level(Message Type). How can we leverage this change pointer mechanism in Enterprise Services.
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1. Why would a customer want to do that especially for standard master data applications like Customer Master, Vendor Master, Material Master etc? I mean I don't understand the benefit of it when all these standard applications already support SMD. If a customer really wants these same functionalities via an Enterprise Service then they basically have to develop more custom applications to support this - for e.g. a Z program which will essentially replace BD21 to process the change pointers (CP) per application i.e. call the associated ABAP Proxy which will then create/do not create IDocs, process the CP by applying business logic, generate XML for PI to distribute further, email/do not email business owner, change the status of the CP depending on the outcome of the processing, exception handling etc. etc. But this whole thing, in my view, is cumbersome and sort of unnecessary as most of these things could be achieved via the SMD tool (except creating the IDoc itself of course!)
The other way, to totally get rid of the CPs and process every change via ES - one would have to enhance all applications in question to call the ES (ABAP Proxy) at the time of master data change! There is no equivalent of BD64 in ES so I don't understand the purpose to be honest.
2. In my view, to trigger it as an Outbound Proxy or Client Proxy via Method call.
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4. Like I said in the beginning, its like comparing two different technologies - I guess in the end it comes down to the business requirement at hand. Both can be very efficient (or very inefficient if deployed incorrectly).
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