Import mp4 h.264 from camcorder results in wrong frame rate

I have recently bought a PAL Samsung VP HMX20C camcorder that records 1080 50i or 1080 25p but when I import the video files into Final Cut Pro 6 the frame rate of the clips are 59.29 and 29.29 respectively. If these files are played with Quicktime or Mpeg Streamclip the info says that they are 50 fps and 25 fps. What do I need to do to get them to be recognised as PAL clips in FCP?
Thanks in advance.

Many thanks for your replies Tom. Can you recommend the fastest way to convert these clips as I have tried the FCP Media Manager and it won't let me change the frame rate back to 25fps. I would like to know the quickest and easiest way to start editing with this media as the reason I bought this camcorder was to reduce the amount of time to ingest the footage as I was using DV PAL tapes before and had to ingest them in real time.

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