Import VHS via camera

Hi all,
I'm trying to convert video from a VHS by running it through my camera into FCE, but it's not working. I seem to be following all the guidelines, but a message keeps coming up "“Waiting for Timecode. Device must be in VTR mode when Device Control is enabled”
- My camera is in VTR mode and is properly connected to the VCR (audio and video cables plugged into the camera's jacks)
- In Easy Setup, I've tried DV-PAL, and DV-PAL DV Converter
- When I hit "Capture Now" while the video is playing, the error message comes up
Can someone run me through this? The annoying thing is that I've done it before and it worked fine when my Easy Setup was in DV PAL, I ran the video, and hit "Capture Now". Doing exactly the same now, with no luck. Any ideas?
Many thanks,
Andrew

Hi Tom,
- I'm using the Easy Setup: DV Pal–DV Converter.
- The camera is connected to the computer by a Firewire cable and to the VCR by the yellow and white cables (the red one is redundant as my VCR only has one audio input).
- The camera I'm using is a Sony PD170
- My computer is a Dual 1.8G PowerMac with 3G of Ram, running OS10.4.11
- I'm in Australia
When I'm in the Easy Setup: DV Pal-DV Converter, and click Apple = 8 to get into the Capture window, the screen immediately goes black and the error message comes up.
When I'm in the Easy Setup: DV Pal, and bring up the capture window, I see the message "No Communication". However, I've noticed that using this method I can click on Capture Now (unlike in the other Easy Setup) and the footage does capture. However, I can't use Device Control.
Hope that's enough to go on for you. I have checked the cables on another computer – they're fine.
Many thanks from one frustrated editor!
Andrew

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jiggaman15dg wrote
if you have adobe cs3 or 4 and have the adobe bridge on close that
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DJ1249 wrote
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