Importing 24p footage

What should my capture settings be at when I import footage shot at 24p? I have heard differing things. Some people have said to capture at 29.97 and others say 24.

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Not allowed to import 24p footage

Hi in iMovie 08 I could import 24p footage but with iMovie 09 it wont let me. What gives

From what I recall iMovie has never supported 24p playback. Go to iMovie's preferences, (any version of iMovie) and look at the video standards drop down list. You will only see 30fps and 25fps. So even if you could get 24p content into iMovie '09, you'll probably have problems with it when you make projects.
24p has always been a pro-sumer and professional format. To properly edit this footage you'll need software that has this playback and editing mode. Final Cut Express and Final Cut Pro are you best options for this.

Canon .mts import 24p footage doesn't work ~

I was excited to see Premier CS5 could import Canon's 24p footage and had project settings ready for it.
I was dissapointed to find out that this function doesn't work. Premier shows my .mts files being 29.97 fps so I'm assuming the camera must inclose the 24p footage inside 29.97 fps container?
Does anyone know a simpe way to open a .mts file in After Effects, interpret the footage to "Guess 2:3 pulldown" open, and save export the file back into Premier?
I can't seem to figure out how to export the interpretted footage from After Effects back into Premier.

Why are you guys going through all of this trouble?
Premiere works fine with 24p footage if you shoot it that way. I use it all the time. XH-A1 has both 24p and 24pn.
One is 24p in a 29.97 wrapper and the other is 23.976 native with flags. Shoot with the one you want and just use the right preset.
Sorry...I didnt realize you left out the camera you were using. If it's ont that doesnt have both modes you will need another software to remove the pulldown.

Trouble importing 24p footage (no timecode!)

I shot a project on a Panasonic HVX-100 in 24p advanced pulldown i believe, and I am not trying to import it into FCP 5 using a canon GL2.
FCP will not let me capture now because it keeps waiting for a time code, but there is not one visible on the tape. Is there a way to work around this? Also I can play the tape on the GL2 and in FCP, just not import it.
thanks in advance.

All DV footage contains timecode. It is part of the DV stream. If you capture with Firewire the timecode is there, however if you are using Capture Now, FCP will not properly deal with the timecode from the tape. FCP will instead create new timecode fromt the beginning of the capture now footage.
If FCP is "waiting for timecode" that means it is waiting for footage that matches what it expects to see based on your capture settings. I would bet your capture settings are wrong. Close your capture window and do an easy setup for DV NTSC 23.98 Advanced Pulldown removal and try again.
This will not work if the footage is not Advanced 24P. If it is not Advanced just capture with regular DV NTSC (or PAL if you are in the right country). You can remove the pulldown in Cinema tools but I wouldn't recommend it if you are inexperienced.
You could also have a bad firewire cable. I had one a while back and replacing it fixed all kinds of mystery bugs.

24p footage out of sync

I just imported 24p footage, encoded in SS.
Encore took it, but the video plays much faster than the audio, and so much that the people are sped up. It looks funny!
I'm running, CS3 and SS5. The 24p footage with encoded at 12 iFrames and Closed GOPS. The imported audio is a wave file from the 24p project. Even after Encore transcodes the audio the problem remains.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Not sure of the 'button'.
One thing you should check though...
How are you monitoring this? Is your audio following your video to/from the same source?
Turn on your wave form monitors for the timeline... does the click line up visually on the timeline to the clap of the slate?
If you monitor your audio off the CPU and your video externally... or your audio out FW and your video only on the cpu... you can get sync issues. Actually LATENCY issues and not really out of sync.
Are you sure it's out of sync and just not a latency issue?
Thanks for answering...
CaptM

Importing "24p Cinema" footage from Canon AVCHD camera ?

Hi all,
I have bought a CANON HFS10 Vixia AVCHD camera, I`ve made some footage using the "24p cinema" mode.
When using media browser in PPCS5 and importing it, it still indicates (like in CS4) under "properties", that the footage is "29.97 fps", as CS5 is compatible with this camera specifically, shouldn`t CS5 indicate something like "24 cinema Canon mode" or so ?
It`s my understanding that the Canon camera produces a 24 fps footage "wrapped" in a 29.97 container; it`s also my understanding that, as CS4 is not compatible with this camera, it looked ONLY at the wrapper and said under properties "29.97 fps", that sounds reasonable for me.
But what about CS5 ? How do I know if it is really "seeing" the 24p footage wrapped in a 29.97 fps wrapper if it still says "29.97 fps" ? Will it perform the editing and exporting correctly even though ?
Thank you very much,
RK

I was wondering though.....shouldn`t I just NOT DO Anything ?
Well, that would be ideal... but you know how THAT goes
There`s an Adobe document at its web site talking specifically about the
Canon cameras, it mentions specifically my camera and the so-called "24p
cinema" format.
Can you post a link? I'm just curious what it says. The biggest issue is that Canon actually has (at least) two different 24p "formats," and your camcorder records to the not-so-easy-to-deal-with version. It's what Canon deems "24pf," which means that it records 18 progressive frames and 12 interlaced frames, but it doesn't flag which are which, so programs that are not able to determine the pulldown cadence can't remove the necessary frames to create a true 24p clip. After Effects (and a number of other methods) can determine the cadence, but that's an extra step, obviously.
It says that I can use Media Browser to import the files and...that`s
all, it doesn`t go any further.The option Interpret footage -> remove
pulldown is greyed out for me (?)
Yeah, that makes sense, given the above. Do you have a really short clip you wouldn't mind uploading somewhere for a test? I can't find one anywhere online...
I wonder if I could just edit it normally (labelled as 29.97fps
though..) and export the timeline as 23.976p....?
Which results would I achieve ? I`m trying to avoid spending some
expensive blu-ray medias doing tests;
You could, technically speaking, but aesthetically, you'd be pretty displeased with the results. The export process isn't any smarter than the import process, so unless you do the necessary steps, you won't get a good, clean 24p encode.

Importing HV20 24P footage

I imported 12 hours of 24P footage from the HV20 into Final Cut using the HDV 108024P preset before reading the instructions of how to make it "true 24P" that say that the footage needs to be imported as "HDV108060i".
Do I need to reimport all that footage to do the steps needed to make it real 24P?
Also, if I did not change it to real 24P and added it to a timeline that was 24P with A1 footage would the two look the same or would the HV20 footage have some issues?

Hello,
When you say imported, do you mean imported from a file, or captured from the tape?
When you say 24p footage, have you already done the reverse telecine process on it?
The camera shoots 24p, but stores it as 60i on the tape. When you capture, you end up with 60i data, with duplicate frames on a cadence (you can check this just by stepping through your video frame by frame and watch for duplicates)
You can take captured 24p video (which is contained in a 60i format) then use compressor to remove the extra frames. Then you can then place that clip in a 24p sequence and edit as you wish.
I would guess that when you say you "imported" 24p, you mean that you captured the HDV from the hv20 something you shot in 24p mode. FCP would have captured it as 60i video, so you probably don't need to re-capture it. Just place the entire capture onto a sequence, accept the format of the input, then send it to compressor to change (reverse telecine, aka removing the extra frames) the 60i sequence into a true 24p sequence. then you use this true 24p material in a new sequence that you can then trim and edit.
Ken

Importing 24p(adv) footage

I have shot footage on the Panasonic DVX100 in 24p mode. I am wondering if the information is stored on the tape so that any camcorder or vtr may be the source from which I import the footage intp FCP 4, or does it have to be imported from a 24p camera? I.E. can I import the footage from an XL1?
Thank you.

There is NO SUCH THING as a 24P deck. 24P or 24PA only affects the content of an NTSC 29.97 frame rate. Much the same as the fact that you don't need a "flower" deck to play back footage of daisies...
Patrick

How do I import hd 24p footage into premiere pro? Help please

How do I import hd 24p footage into premiere pro? Help please

instructions for importing/capturing footage:
"Capturing DV and HDV video"
"Importing with the Import commands"
"Importing with the Media Browser"
Since you're new to Premiere Pro, I recommend starting here:
FAQ: How do I learn Premiere Pro?

Need help importing HD footage from external hard drive

I have an external hard drive with some footage from a friend. I cannot view the footage either in QT or through importing to FCP. I have version 4.5 of FCP HD. The audio works on the clips, but the video does not. Im guessing it might be a format issue, as the footage is HD footage shot at 24P. I've tried opening a separate timeline and changing the settings there, but that didnt seem to work. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I'm guessing that the footage is HDV, and FCP 4.5 cannot work with HDV. That format came out over a year after FCP 4.5 was released. FCP 4.5 was dubbed FCP HD because it worked with DVCPRO HD footage natively. HDV support didn't hit FCP until 5.0.
You have options. Because HDV came out when FCP 4.5 was in use and didn't work with it, a couple companies made solutions to import this footage. www.lumierehd.com and www.hdvxdv.com.
BUT...that will get you the HDV footage at 29.97...60i. HDV 24p support didn't arrive until FCP 5.1.2. So you can try those solutions and see what happens, but most likely you'll have to upgrade to the latest version of FCP...6.0.2
Shane

What is the best way to work with AVCHD 720 24p footage in FCE4.1?

Hi I have a Panasonic HMC-150 and I've been shooting 720 24p footage at 21 mbps transfer rate.
I was wondering what is the best way to work with this material in FCE 4.1? I see that in the easy set up menu they only have the option of 1440X1080i at 50 or 60 fps or 1920X1080i at 50 or 60 fps.
Also in the rates drop down menu there is only 50 or 29.97.
So I was wondering which is the best choice for 720 24p footage and will it look alright in any of them? Also is it possible to customize these settings?
And finally can you work with faster transfer rates (21mbps) in FCE?

Yikes, this is going to be tricky since FCE does not support native 24p editing.
The work around for some of us is that AVCHD material that is 24p is often recorded to disc at 60i using telecine, in which case it can be editing at 29.97 frames per second, and then detelecined afterward for final export at 23.98 fps. The problem is that I think your camera actually records real 24p - not 24p packed into 60i. When you import the material from the camera what does QuickTime report the framerate as?

NOOB - Settings to import 24p

Hello
me and my friends shot a video for school and we are now editing it. Im using a panasonic dvx100b in 24p (not 24pA). I don't have FCP on my mac so i am using my friend's computer, so i dont really know yet how to use FCP.
Anyway what do i have to do to edit the 24p footage? What settings do i use to import it in 24p and remove the pulldown? and how do i export in the highest quality so i can burn it to a DVD?
Thanks

so even though the project is in 30 the framerate will still look 24? also does it automatically remove the pulldown?
i've heard different things from different places like in this article for the dvx100a in 24p
http://joshuamosley.com/tutorials/FinalCut/24p.html
its showing me a whole different way to set the project up (even though his is in anamorphic) with setting everything to 23.98 with a 2:3:3:2 pulldown (i thought that only applied to 24pA?)
sorry if these are very basic i did do a ton of research but like i said this is my first time using FCP so im a little confused/overwhelmed :/

24p footage shown as 29.97 in DVD Studio Pro

Hello,
I shot footage in DVCPRO HD codec with the HVX200 camera using the 24pN (native) recording format.
I edit everything in FCP 5 and when exporting to Compressor using the output DVD 90min best quality 16:9 everything is still OK. The video file (when opened in QT) shows that it's a 23.97 fps file as it should be.
BUT after importing it as asset in DVD Studio Pro 4, it shows as 29.97!! WHY? The video is smooth though, but why does it not show as 24p footage?
PS: everything is in NTSC (camera, FCP, DVD Studio Pro)
Thanks for any quick help,
JERRY.

Do not know if you have DVD Demystified, but page 9-34 says what you are saying. (Wanted to double check to make sure I said it right and I was starting to get a bit lost here also. Too late at night LOL )
DVD-Video supports 525/60 (NTSC 29.97 interlaced fps) and 625/50 (PAL/SECAM 25 interlaced fps) In the case of 24 fps the MPEG Encoder adds repeat first field flags to perform 2-3 pulldown fo 60 displays, for PAL a 4% increase in speed.
Also this thread from awhile back
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=3944958

Trouble Syncing P2 24p footage with 29.97 audio

Hi All,
I'm having problems syncing Panasonic P2 format footage shot at 24p from an HPX-500, and externally recorded sound. I'm using PPro CS5.5 on Win7. I believe this is because the P2 format is actually 29.97fps with some pull-down (Remove Pull-Down setting checked for the clips) and the audio was recorded with a timecode of 23.976.
So when I use the Synchronize feature it gets the clips close, but the audio lags just so slightly, less than a frame. I can switch to audio time units and manually sync, but I have a completed short film with a ton of clips that I have to do this for and I think it would take the next ten years to manually sync ;-)
If there are any solutions to this, I would be greatful for any suggestions on how to handle this. The specs of the video and audio clips are below.
Type: P2 Movie
File Size: 1.5 GB
Image Size: 1280 x 1080
Frame Rate: 29.97 (24p)
Source Audio Format: 48000 Hz - 16 bit - Mono
Project Audio Format: 48000 Hz - 32 bit floating point - Mono
Total Duration: 00:01:48:20
Average Data Rate: 13.7 MB / second
Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1.5
Type: Windows WAVE audio file
File Size: 15.3 MB
Source Audio Format: 48000 Hz - 24 bit - Mono
Project Audio Format: 48000 Hz - 32 bit floating point - Mono
Total Duration: 00:01:51:05328
Average Data Rate: 140 KB / second
Sound Dev: 744T S#461007017005
sSPEED=023.976-ND
sTAKE=1
sUBITS=$01151201
sSWVER=2.67
sPROJECT=
sSCENE=15-2
sFILENAME=15-2T001_2.WAV
sTAPE=120115
sTRK2=Track B
sNOTE=
Arlo

Already given. While camera makes have no problem creating hardware that records audio at a consistent rate, audio device makers either can't or won't do the same.
Hey Jim, sorry - I should have clarified that statement a bit more. The slight differences can be understood by your comment for sure, unfortunately . But the timecode should not be mismatched at all - there seems to be a bad calculation in PPro somewhere. Other applications can read and match the timecodes without any problems (see below).
I found some further info - I had my friend import the footage and audio at his studio with FCP and Avid and they both matched perfectly (he's also going to try Smoke). I also downloaded the trial of Avid Media Composer 6 and the clips matched up perfectly also.
As a test, on my system, I batch "converted" all my audio files using Audition - just saving them with all the same parameters as the originals. Then I imported back into Premiere and guess what? They matched much, much more closely. Still faster by 9951 samples after 00:01:47:00 - so I don't know how noticable 1/48th of a second will be, and I suppose I can find some nice edit points to adjust at. But also back to your suggestion on adjusting the speed of the audio, I may be able minimize that too.
Thanks for your help.

Does converted MTS 24p footage also require "pulldown" process?

Hi.
I am using a Canon HF20 camcorder. The files are MTS. I was shooting in 24p mode. I have FCP 6, which apparently cannot handle MTS media. So I found a way to convert the files to HDV (or AIC) via an application called Clipwrap. My question is: Must I also deal with the extra-frame/pulldown problem (endemic to usual 24p footage) of the new clip, or has that been taken care of in the conversion process? If not, is there a way to tackle both these issues (MTS conversion, pulldown) in one fell swoop?
Thanks,
Marc

you can usually drop 24p material into a 29.97 fps timeline without any issues EXCEPT that fcp does not add pulldown in the best way. If I remember correctly, fcp just repeats the 4th frame. This may or may not be objectionable when you view it. You can add pulldown with full flexibility in After Effects. I don't imagine it would be a big deal to do this after you've locked picture.
My mantra is 'TEST YOUR WORKFLOW" from soup to nuts (ingest to output in delivery format). I sometimes make DP's, producers, etc crazy, but better them than me.
And yeah, sometimes it is just simpler to shoot 29.97. But most importantly is what is your end use. i recently finished a doc that had to be output to a digital cinema package for academy award consideration. The specs demanded 24 fps (not 24p aka 23.976). My sources were all over the place. Landed up using compressor to change the frame rate of all material to 23.986 and then the post house doing the dcp output conformed to 24.

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