Importing xmp files or keywords to raw files

Any ideas on how to import pre-existing keywords to raw files?
I have xmp side car files in the same directories as my raw files, but when importing into aperture, the xmp files are ignored. I have tried annoture to sync between iView and aperture, but found with large amounts of images, it is dreadfully slow, and did not actually import any keywords in my case. I can also get a list of keywords per image in a tab delimited file.
Thanks!

Sorry for answering my own post, but I figured out a slight work around, and others may be interested:
I have my photos arranged in folders containing 75-125 photos each. For each photo I created an iView catalog. Each catalog was then imported into the appropriate album in Aperture using Annoture.
My struggle earlier was trying to load all my images into a single iView catalog. Annoture seemed to double count images, and choke when synchronizing large numbers of pictures (1000+).

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Is xmp files only availble for RAW files?

When we develop a RAW image with Camera Raw, we always get an xmp file with all the settings,
But after I developed a JPG image, I saw the Camera Raw Settings icon appeared above the right upper corner of the image thumbnail in Bridge,
however, I couldn't find the xmp file.
Is xmp files only availble for RAW files? JPGs or TIFs don't have xmp files for their Camera Raw settings??

Read-only didn't work for me, on a single jpg file, although it did lead to some interesting behavior. Set the read-only attribute on a jpg file in Windows XP and then tried the following:
1. Opened in Bridge, then into ACR 5.4. Performed some edits, then tried "Done", received permissions error and would not save edits.
2. Did the same except now invoked "Open", went into CS4 with edits intact and allowed saving out as different file. However, the ACR edits were not saved within the jpg, as expected, nor was a xmp created.
3. Removed the read-only attribute, repeated (2). Even though did not save file in CS4 the "Open" action did embed the edits into the jpg.
So read-only doesn't really allow creation of a xmp file, other than perhaps temporarily for transfer to Photoshop. It does lead to somewhat inconsistent behavior, in that I would have expected the "Open" to fail also since it could not bury the edits in the jpg.
Richard Southworth

I can not import in Lightroom 4.4 any RAW-file from my D600. Lightroom gives no picture.

I can not import in Lightroom 4.4 any RAW-file from my D600. Lightroom gives no picture.

How long have you waited?
When I connect my D600 via USB and import in Lr it takes a long time before the image thumbnails are displayed in the Import Dialog.
I know that using a card reader would probably be much faster (you gotta try that!).
In the meantime I just do something else for 5-7 min (read e-mail, get a cup of coffee) and thereafter the thumbnails are displayed and import is straightforward.
And I do have a powerful and fast system.
So, somehow Lr and the D600 are slow to begin "talking" to each other.

Aperture exports jpeg files larger than original RAW files

Can anyone tell me why a RAW file (10.6mb), when exported as a jpeg (10.8mb) from Aperture ends up larger than the original RAW file. The same RAW file when opened and then saved as a jpeg (6.4mb) in Photoshop is a lot smaller. The photo dimensions and resolution are the same in both saved files (34.5mb open file 300dpi 4256 x 2831 pix). I have tried this on several photos, all with similar results. For information I am saving the photos in both Photoshop and Aperture at 300dpi, original size and at a quality setting of 12. In these examples/tests I have done no work to the photos, obviously the file sizes increase after work has been carried out on the photos (in both Ps & Aperture)
Almost doubling the size of saved jpegs has a massive implication on my library and may be one reason to consider Adobe Lightroom as this gives similar jpeg file sizes as Photoshop, i.e. almost half the size of the original RAW file
Reducing the quality setting on saved jpegs is an obvious way to reduce file size, but not answering the question of the considerable discrepancy when saving to the same quality in different software
Is this a feature of Aperture and nothing can be done about it ? I would prefer to use Aperture but cannot cope with the large jpeg sizes !
Any comments would be much appreciated - thank you
Nick

Think you might be right Allen - The 12 quality saved jpegs seem to be pretty high quality, closer to the original than maybe the files saved in Ps at quality 12. I have just run an identical set of processing actions on all the files in Photoshop and the jpegs previously saved in Aperture at 12, 11 and even 8 quality settings seem to be better than the same files saved at 12 in Ps
Bizarrely the file size drops from 10.6mb at quality setting 12 in Aperture, to 3.2mb when saved just one notch down at quality setting 11 in Aperture. That is a massive drop, esp considering the next one down, saving at quality 10 results in a 2.8mb file
rw just ran some checks and tests on the file export settings and file sizes in Aperture, on a file I sent him, and we get the same results. So at least my version of Aperture is not up the wall !!
Would be useful to have the explanations from Apple as to the vast variance in settings and file sizes, but I guess we will just have to keep guessing - and buying more and more hard drives for all the large files
I am considering keeping the RAW originals in future, and I suppose in this case I need only save smaller jpegs, and issue at whatever size they are needed at the time - just needs a bit of planning to look after an ever increasing collection, which is about to have two sets of images added at a time now. Added to the already amassed 80 000 images at last count !)
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Nick

Do I need to keep my xmp files after converting my raw files to dng?

I originally set up Lr to automatically build xmp files. Recently, I decided to go with dng files and have converted all my raw files to dng. Can I now delete all my xmp files and change my Lr setting so xmp files are no longer automatically produced?

WDKlein1000 wrote:
I think I've got this straight. My goal is to keep the xmp data with the image file (embedded into the file in the case of dng files) as well as in the Lr catalog. I still need to auto (or manually) save xmp files in order for Lr to save the xmp data internally to the dng file. Right?
Perfectly right.
WDKlein1000 wrote:
I've been converting to dng after I have done my initial Lr processing of the raw files and the sidecar files have already been produced. When I convert to dng, the side car files aren't automatically deleted.
I *think* if you say: do not delete previous raw, it keeps both xmp and original raw files. However, if you say: delete original raws upon conversion, it will delete both raw files and xmp sidecars. In other words, they are treated as a unit. So I suspect your raw files are not being deleted either, right? Note: if this is the case, then whenever you sync your folders, it's gonna wanna pull in all the original raws again. If it were me, rather than deleteing the xmp and leaving the sibling raws, I'd move both to a backup.
WDKlein1000 wrote:
I wonder if the sidecar files would ever be produced if I imported with the option to convert to dng and then wouldn't ever be editting the raw files?
They would not. If you know you are going to prefer DNG, it seems prudent to convert upon import.
WDKlein1000 wrote:
I know the sidecar files are relatively small, but I guess it wouldn't hurt to go back and delete them once the xmp data is embeded in the dng files. Right?
Right again - delete away...
UPDATE: I didn't see AR's previous post when I wrote this, sorry for redundancy.
Rob

Adobe XMP Files not deleted with Raw Files in ACR

I am using Photoshop CS3 on a Windows XP platform. My camera raw files are mostly kept on a Windows 2003 file server, which has a gigabit connection to my workstation. However, I have the same problems when using PS CS3 on my Windows XP laptop.
I take many hundreds of 'technical' photographs using an Olympus E1 and Canon G9 cameras. I usually bracket the exposures on the E1, specially when photographing white painted yachts, and then rate and select the images that I want in ACR 4.1.1. Unwanted images are deleted at this time.
The problem I am having is that the associated *.xmp files are not always deleted with the camera raw files, with the result that I now have literally thousands of these 'orphaned' files cluttering up the server. The only options I have are to delete the files manually, which is a pain, or to leave them on the server, wasting unnecessary space.
I have the same issue with Canon and Nikon raw files, so this problem is not specific to Olympus files.
This is a long standing problem, and I would be grateful if anyone has any answers?
If any Adobe programmers are watching, it would be handy if you could provide a simple utility to delete orphaned *.xmp files, or at least compress them into some kind of archive.
Thanks,
Nigel.

[quote] As far as Photoshop and ACR go, ALL raw files are treated as read-only.
Your original raw files remain untouched, no matter what you do to them.
Any adjustments you make to a raw file are kept only as metadata (flags, if you will) in that XMP side-car file. Every time you want to re-open that raw image file, ACR will reach for the XMP file and apply the adjustments automatically, transparently. [/quote]
That is not quite correct. Camera RAW files can be permanently deleted from within Adobe Camera Raw. The problem with ACR 4.1 to 4.4 4 was that the XMP files were left behind. This now seems to have been rectified in the latest version (ACR 4.5).
Thank you Adobe!

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Tiff files are recognized as raw files

A large number of my tiff files are being recognized by Photoshop and Lightroom as raw files. They open in Camera Raw with +50 brightness and +25 contrast.
It has occurred in tiff files that I made by 1) scanning film 2) taken with Canon 10D 3) taken with Canon 20D 4) taken with Canon 5D.
All I do is make a few adjustments in curves and hue/sat. Then I save as tiff. Everything seems fine... until all of sudden, a few minutes later, the thumbnail changes on it's own and suddenly turns very bright. Then when I click on the tiff, it opens in Camera Raw with the added brightness and contrast.
Does anybody know why this is happening and how I can prevent it? I thought it might be a bug my CS3 program but I just upgraded to CS4 and it's still happening.
Thank you.

Thanks again. Yes, these tiff files have an adjustment icon over the thumbnails in Bridge. I'm aware of the fact that I can clear the settings with edit>develop settings>clear settings. But I want to stop this from happening in the first place. I don't know how they are getting ACR adjustments since I didn't even open some of these files with ACR. Some of the these files came straight from the film scanner. I just scanned, saved as tiff...then all of a sudden they have ACR settings. I don't know why.
With my raw files...all I do is open the file in Photoshop, make a few adjustments, then save as tiff. All of a sudden, the images turn SUPER BRIGHT with the +50 brightness and +25 contrast.
I would like to email a few of these corrupted files to somebody who works for Adobe so they can look at them and help me figure this out. Do you know how I can do that?

Bridge CS6 open file bug with Hasselblad RAW file

There is a bug in Bridge CS6 (or RAW editor?) with (some) Hasselblad RAW files. I have a set of FFF files that I can use and open without problems in Bridge CS6 (5.0.0.399 x64). But one file of them does not show a preview icon and when I try to open it in PS6 or RAW editor, I get an errormessage "unexpected end of file...". When I open the same file in Hasselblad "Phocus" software there is no problem. I can see the preview thumb and I can play around with the file and even export to TIF or DNG without any trouble. I can even open the exported DNG in PS or Bridge/RAW editor then.
Well, you might say I should not care for a single file but it leaves a bad taste, when the Hasselblad software can handle the file without problems...
If some developer want to take a look at this I could provide original files.

Curt Y wrote:
Also, be sure to use a card reader for file transfer as a camera transfer can introduce errors.
I work with a Hasselblad medium format camera. I do not have a CF card in use. And I can tell that this worked absolutely flawless for many years. I NEVER had corrupted files caused by transfer. Many photographers using pro medium format cameras work the same way (Phase One, Leaf, etc.). They do not use CF cards but firewire cable. the problem arised when I started using the CS6 Bridge software. And it turned out that I get more and more corrupted files which appeared to be fine before. So from one shooting i.e. 1 file of 100 was corrupted first. Since I started using Bridge and changed RAW settings and worked with the same files after some days I have 5 corrupted files of 100 now. And NO it is not my system. It works fine with other camera RAWs where I have absolutely no problems. It is only the Hasselblad files. Though I still can open the Hasselblad RAW files with the Hasselblad software. The problems are only with the Bridge (respectively the raw editor) in combination with the Hasselblad files.
To me it looks like CS is corrupting the files since they worked fine at first - even in CS and after some days playing around in CS the appear to be corrupted. Funny that I can open the same files without problems using a different software - isn't it? ;-)
thanks for the link I will try it.... :-)

How Do I "Re-Write" a Canon RAW file or a Nikon RAW File, Undetected

I need to "re-write" a native camera RAW file and do it undetected.
Can Aperture or any software tool, on any platform accomplish this goal?

Dear kgelner,
Any thought to a software tool that can make changes to a RAW file, then write them back to that secretly encoded data language? That is why I posted to this board.
Here are my responses to your own post above. Most of your statements below are not based on facts. (i.e. “compacted shirts” and “enough room”) We are talking about taking digital pictures into court where such statements will be directly challenged. Please throw me a bone here and post some facts!
Your Statement
The problem with that argument is that you are not in fact losing anything - you are only compressing it. And not in the JPG sense.
My Response
A 48-bit image contains a maximum of 281,474,976,710,656 trillion possible colors.
A 24 bit image contains a maximum of 16,777,216 million possible colors.
Of course you are losing data if you eliminate 281,474,959,933,440 possible colors from the equation and force the rest to display within the 24-bit range! The 48-bit colors are not compressed, their actual numeric color values are being converted to a color within the 24-bit range.
Your Statement
If you think about what moving from a 48-bit tonal range to a 24-bit tonal range means
in practical terms, all it does is compress the tonal range a bit. So you still have everything that was there - it's just that some things that were very close before become jammed together. It's like a shirt in an overstuffed suitcase, it's simply compacted but that does not mean anything is gone - all your clothes are still there even if it would seem when unpacked they would not all be in the suitcase.
My Response
You think that that removal of 65,280 possible variables within a tonal range scale is “a bit?” A 24-bit tonal range scale is limited to 256. During the conversion from 48-bit to 24-bit there is a permanent elimination of possible color values and this severely limits the color/tonal range when the conversion is completed.
For others that read this post:
A 24-bit tonal range is an actual numeric scale from 0 to 255.
A 48-bit tonal range is an actual numeric scale from 0 to 65,535.
Your Statement
Furthermore in some cases it could be that you would be able to go the other way, from JPG to TIFF and get the original tonal range. All it would require is enough "room" between tonal ranges.
My Response
You can not “go the other way” and get more out of the picture! I have to ask you where would the “room” come from and where would the factual data values come from? The tonal ranges listed above are absolute. Any “additional” colors would be interpolated from existing color/tonal values during the conversion from 24-bit to 48-bit. There would be more data but none of it original.
You Stated
Consider a picture of a wall with black and white squares in a flat light. That's going to occupy the same tonal range in either a TIFF or a JPG. White and Black are still absolutes in the picture, it's just that the absolute is represented by a slightly different number.
My Response
The absolute value for black is the same. The value for white is different by exactly 281,474,959,933,440 colors.
For others that read this post:
Inside a 24 bit image, black is 0,0,0, white is 255, 255, 255.
Inside a 48 bit image, black is 0,0,0 white is 65535, 65535, 65535.
Your Statement
A very esoteric argument to be sure, have you heard of anyone actually getting away with this argument with real-life JPG's attempted to be used in court?
My Response
I must agree a very esoteric discussion indeed! I have not heard of anyone using a comparison between the two formats. Our courts are a more than a bit behind the times when it comes to digital imaging. RAW files have been used in court for a couple of years now and they have yet to be challenged. As technology evolves, so will the courts. As new technology is introduced, older methods are used less and considered less reliable.
An example of this is our use of DNA, Deoxyribo Nucleic Acid, as a means of identification. DNA is considered more reliable that witness testimony! There have been about 175 cases to date where DNA has proven that a person was wrongly convicted! (So much for the photographer’s testimony!)
I really want to come back to my original question and the reason I posted on this board. Is there any software tool that can make changes to a RAW file, then write them back to that secretly encoded data language?

Why are the DNG files from my RW2 raw files are so large (37MB)?

I have a fairly new Panasonic Lumix LX5. I've recently converted a few files to DNG.
They're turning out to be @ 37MB, over three times larger than the original file.
I'm not embedding the original raw files in the DNG.
NEF files I convert from my Nikon D2x are around 9.5MB.
I'm running Mac OS 10.5.8, DNG v 6.6 and also use PS CS5.5 and Lightroom 3.0.
Any ideas??

Thanks R_Kelly!
I was using the DNG converter app.
I just tried converting a RW2 raw file by saving it in from the ACR window in CS5 with your recommended settings:
Compatibility 5.4 and later
Jpeg preview:medium size
without orginal raw file embedded.
This yielded a 9.7MB DNG file. Yeah!!
So I went back and tried a couple using the DNG converter app.
With compatbility set to 4.6 & later, the converted files are 37MB.
But with compatiblity set to 5.4 & later files are 9.7 MB.
This is the same when using either the app or from ACR.
So the difference here is the compatiblity setting.
Does anyone know why this happens??

Is it possible to rescue drive files and also format RAW file system into previous NTFS?

Do you have any suggestion for me to format RAW file system to NTFS and also rescue my remained drive files? These external hard drive files are made for the business presentation in the next Monday. I have prepared them for nearly a week.
But, this morning, the external hard drive that had held these files became RAW and needed to be formatted. I could not lose them and prepare another week to make these files again. There was no enough time. Please, give me some advice to get them back as
many as possible. Thank you in advance!

RAW file system error will not always indicate a failed or seriously damaged drive. So, do not give up rescuing your drive data easily. Just plunge this RAW drive to you computer again and run drive data recovery software to rescue your
original data back as much as possible before you format this drive from RAW to NTFS.
Just open your computer and search for a right data recovery tool to go on.
Get more data recovery clues here:
http://blog4mark.blogspot.com/2012/11/convert-raw-to-ntfs-without-data-loss.html
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Hi,
is there a workaround for the following Aperture import transfer behaviour:
I have set my Panasonic DMC-LX3 to produce Raw (for CS4) and Jpg images with every shot.
However, when I import the SD card, Aperture only imports the .RW2 files (which are of course not supported as the DMC-LX3 is not compatible).
When I separate the RW2 files from the JPGs with two different folders on the SD card, then Aperture is able to transfer the JPGs.
Any workaround?
Thanks
Christoph

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Problem solved with a call to the support line. Took nearly 20mins but I'm up and running again!
For future reference:
With all programs closed, click on 'Go' on the toolbar.
Select your home drive
select Library
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