Impulses loaded into Space Designer?

Hey does anybody know how to load impulse responses into Space Designer? Just downloaded some third party stuff and wanted to try them out. They are called "Beamsonic Impulses". Thanks

Yeah, using gates would be clumsy and buggy. What the Sonic Birth API does is is allow you to construct your own AU by instatiating actual code. But you don't have to really write the code. You drag visual modules around and link them with virtual cables. Each module is ultimately a C++ class function and you're really just building object oriented code with a GUI. There really is very little you can't do. For example, you can even attentuate output amplitudes with whatever function or equation you wish to write. Recently I wrote a fade in/fade out plug that follows exponential curves when a timing loop is started by a boolean variable switching from 0 to 1. Designing a virtual logic circuit to test the input for its amplitude is very easy and that could be used as a trigger to switch between the output of several convolutions. To the end user it would look like any other AU if you packaged the IR wave files with the plug you create and set them up as presets. The catch is that the user has to actually have the Sonic Birth framework on their machine to use it. It doesn't make a generic AU that everyone can use.
If I get this baby working I'm gonna get real excited.

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Impulse responses for Space Designer

Hola,
Anyone know of third party companies making high end impulse responses for Space Designer?
I am particularly interested in finding an authentic spring reverb for dub style tracks ala Lee 'Scratch' Perry.
Thanks for any leads.

don't know if you consider them high end or low end but these ones are free
http://www.xs4all.nl/~fokkie/IR.htm
DAVE

Space Designer LP7 songs don't load in Space Designer LP8?

Hi there, I recently replaced my entire system drive with a new one and installed Logic studio 8. I still have my old system drive but it's not connected to my Mac.
I have been loading songs produced on LP7, when loading the songs ask me for the old Space Designer Impulse response FX presets. Now I assume since installing Logic 8, that the older Space designer stuff has been changed but surely they wouldn't have completely done away with it would they? How can I get a LP7 produced song's Space designer setup load in LP8?
Thanks.

Hi - I just wish to bring this one back to life:
I was not aware that the Space Designer had maintained the L7 Legacy IR's and I'm keen to get them back too. I have the folder so I can see them all now but...
I'm not sure how to get them to show up in the Space Designer preset menu. I know I can load them from the 'Load IR & Init' menu but this is slow as you have to locate the folder every time.
How should I structure the user library in order to get the Legacy folder to show in the preset menu? I've tried a couple of options but it's not working.
They are currently showing in:
MacintoshHD/Library/Audio/ImpulseResponses/Apple/05LegacySpaces
but do not show in the preset menu.
On a related note I have the Spirit Canyon Audio IR's in:
User/Library/Audio/ImpulseResponses/SpectralRelativity
and would like these to show in the preset menu also. But currently I have to 'Load IR & Init' every time. Same problem maybe?
Do you need some sort of 'preset/plugin' file in the menu that references the IR?
Hope that all makes sense - help appreciated! Thanks

Missing some impulse resposes for Space Designer

I just realized that that the impulse respones for the "Warped effects" are missing. They are not located under the Library/Audio/Impulse responses/Apple folder where the others are.
Does anyone know how to get them?
I'm on Logic Pro 9.1.1
Thanks Morten

In the folder you describe, I have 4 folders, Large, Medium, Small, and Surround Spaces. In each of those folders is another folder for "Warped." Do you not have that?
I also found an Impulse Response folder in Library/Application Support/Soundtrack Pro. You could look there or see if there's one in the Logic folder. Nothing that was marked "Warped", but there were some of the same responses in there.

Space Designer True Stereo Impulse Responses

I recently purchased some impulse responses. I am trying to load these into Space Designer on Logic 9.1. They have been supplied as L, R and C wav files. It says that Space Designer supports 'true stereo' impulse responses, where there is a seperate wav file for L and R. But I can't work out how to load both files? Has anyone on here successfully loaded True Stereo responses in Space Designer? The set of responses also includes 'quad' files consisting of just one stereo file - should I be using these instead?
If anyone could help/offer any advice I would be very grateful
Many thanks
jlb

jlb223 wrote:
I recently purchased some impulse responses. I am trying to load these into Space Designer on Logic 9.1. They have been supplied as L, R and C wav files. It says that Space Designer supports 'true stereo' impulse responses, where there is a seperate wav file for L and R. But I can't work out how to load both files? Has anyone on here successfully loaded True Stereo responses in Space Designer? The set of responses also includes 'quad' files consisting of just one stereo file - should I be using these instead?
If anyone could help/offer any advice I would be very grateful
Many thanks
jlb
If the impulse responses are Stereo Interleaved audio files, then they load into Space Designer as true stereo impulses.
Note : make SURE you create the space Designer on a STEREO AUX or channel, otherwise its mono--->Stereo, and will load mono impulses. At least that what it does on my system. They same impulse sounds very different when fed a mono source VS a stereo source...
As for "QUAD" sources, it does not support them, at least I do not think it does.
Try loading a Space Designer on a 4-channel audio track (a QUAD) track, and see what happens.
Also, those QUAD files are probably 4 mono audio files contained in the one file. I've seen these before...
Cheers
Cheers

Impulses with space designer

I have been talking with a friend.He was telling me that i can download impulses to load into space designer.That model like neve pre amps and stuff alike.Where can i get these impulses? I actually think i found them, i downloaded them and it looks like a bunch of munbers and symbols.Is this right? If so what do i do with them once i get them.How do i load them into the space designer?Any advice would be greatly apprecieated.
Thanx
MikeY B

Mikey B,
follow these instructions.
SvK
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=2485267&#2485267

Slow loading of IR's in Space Designer

When i load an Impulse response in space designer, it takes at least 20-30 seconds with a frozen Logic, before it loads.
I suppose Space Designer is looking for IR's but i don't know why.
Anybody experienced the same?

Slow is not so easy to calculate...
Slow as Seconds?
Minutes?
They are original Apple IRs or from 3rd Party ones?
there is some warning message during loading?
How much free space size is in your System Hard Drive?
I hope more than 25 or better 30% free space of the total disk size!
G

EMT 252, 250 and nonlin Space Designer IRs

Just got the latest Acousticas library. EMT252XL.
It's a whopper with about 2000 irs, incl. the 252 with 250 and nonlin programs.
I really like the detail put into this one. The frequency multipliers are there as well, making it a breeze controlling the low end of the reverb.
I wish Apple would update Space Designer's IR browser to be a little more modern. Pulling the load menu is not very convenient when dealing with so many impulses.
I remember writing Acousticas after getting their first library. I asked them if they could provide comparison between the IRs and the hardware. Guess others did the same. This time they put up a video blind test and IMO it is really hard to distinguish which is the hardware and which is the IR.
Links to blind test and other videos
http://www.acousticas.net/World/Videos/Acousticas/EMT252/PianoDemo252.mov
http://www.acousticas.net

I have these IR's too and they're great.
Although I've run into a bug using them with Space Designer -- the bug appears to be Logic's fault, not the Acoustica IR's, which run fine in other convolvers like Altiverb and waves IR-1.
When I load the EMT 252/250 IR's into Space Designer, instead of a 3 or 4 second impulse, I get a .3 or .4 second impulse. Using the "show IR in Finder" triangle on Space Designer reveals that Logic is loading the wrong IR files. I've been over this with the folks at Acousticas, who are very helpful.
Did a reinstall, trashed some prefs and cache files, and Space Designer still insists on loading the wrong files. Yet another bug I assume Apple will turn a deaf ear to.
Just something to watch for. In the meantime, I'm lucky that I can still use Altiverb or Waves to hear these great IR's.
T

Space Designer Lost all Factory presets

Can anyone figure out how to get the factory presets back into Space Designer? Somehow something got corrupted. I find the factory presets in the library but only (18 Concerts & Halls) shows up in the slide out window on the plug in itself. I have tried trashing preferences, moving all presets out & back in to library, and re-installing Soundtrack Pro onto my hard drive without any success. Space Designer is a great plug-in and the factory presets are great time savers. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Lost without my Space Designer Factory Presets.

gene6,
Here is the way I get the factory presets for Space
Designer.
1) Add Space Designer as an effect to a track.
2) Click on the "advanced..." button to show the cute
knobs and sliders.
3) Right-Click on the "IR Sample" triangle located at
the top of the big circle on the left side. (If you
don't have a two-button mouse, buy one quick.)
4) This menu says "Load IR, Load IR & INIT, or Show
in FInder. I pick Load IR.
5) This then goes to the 36 folders of Impulse
Responses in the Library so you can pick an .SDIR
file like "in the shower" inside bathrooms. Then
click Open to load it into Space Designer to try it
out on that track.
6) If you like it (or twiddle with it to where you
can use it), show the user presets and click the "+"
button to add this setting to your list of User
Presets for easy retrieval.
I still don't know if there is a place for tutorials
in this forum, but this works for me.
Hope it helps.
David
Thanks David your a wiz. this totally is the solution I was looking for.
gene6
iMac G5 Mac OS X (10.4.5)

How to Use Altiverb IR in Space Designer?

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It's my understanding that the Impulse Responses in Altverb are coded in a way that they can only be used within Altverb.
Which makes perfect sense. They certainly don't want people copying Altverb's IR responses from their friends hard drive, to use within Logic (or any other DAW) for free, right?

Space Designer resets Wet + Dry mix amounts when sample dragged

Hi,
There is a fairly annoying bug with space designer. Try this:
1. Insert space designer on a track.
2. Turn down the DRY mix to zero, and the WET mix to full.
3. Open the Logic browser, and find a wav file to drag into space designer.
4. Drag the wav file in.
You'll see that the dry mix and wet mix reset themselves. This happens each time you drag in a file.
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Space Designer Presets and Impulses... Gone?!

I'm stymied...
Been wanting to audition some Space Designer reverbs, but for some reason all of the presets were gone from the settings menu. I don't remember what I did exactly, but I found them and moved them into the SD settings folder somewhere on my system. And now I have all of my presets back. But...
Every time I load one of the presets, Logic asks me where the .sdir file is for it.
This never used to be a problem. Why it's different today is beyond me. But anyway...
Can someone please tell me where .sdir files are supposed to be located? And also, just so I'm sure everything is where it should be, where should the SD preset settings live?
-=iS=-

Works perfectly.
For some reason my impulse responses and settings were in two places:
iSchwartz HD/Library/Logic/Impulse Responses
...and...
~/Library/Applications Support/Logic/Impulse Responses
Weird...
Anyway, thanks again.

Impulse Response editing - Do it the right way: IRs for Space Designer

Dear fellow board members,
after doing several research on this topic and many attempts to match some Impulse Responses I finally have to admit, that a little help or insight would be much appreciated. Most of the (Beamsonic) IRs, especially the Studer and Ampeg IRs, seem to have overlength (≈ 6 sec.) and some do have "silence" at the very beginning (see picture below).
I would be thankful for a helping hand explaining me, which part of this IR is of relevant importance: Do I need the "silence" tail at the end? What should I take care of when editing such IRs as the pictured one? Would only the marked yellow area be of importance? Get rid of the red areas (beginning & end)?
As many of the IRs I do have correspond to the image above, I have to go through heavy manual editing and before doing so, your help would be much appreciated.
Does anybody have gone through this before and would like to exchange some of his material for the Space Designer (IRs + corresponding Presets)? I am looking for: EMT 250, Studer A80 Tape, other Tape Sats as well, Ampeg, Westlake Studio D, other useful top quality IRs as well.
For now, many thanks in advance for sharing interest
Vic.
Mac OS X (10.3.8)

1. You maybe want to comment on what is considered to be the
"technical right way" to achieve DAW Tape Saturation via IRs, i.e.
what makes sense and what not?
Really, there is no technical right way - all we are doing is altering our recorded audio in a way that we like - it will vary depending on your tools, your tastes, the material, the artistic intent etc...
a - Insert the Convolution Reverb right on the Audio Channel
itself with Pre/Post-Compression/EQing, etc.
I will do this if I want to process an individual channel for colour. Remember to set the effect to 100% wet.
b - Send audio to a Convolution Reverb Bus (and share w/multiple
audio channels), loss of quality, etc?
You're just sending a bunch of channels - in convolution terms, the results as far as I know will be the same if you process 10 channels indivdually and sum them, compared to if you sum the 10 channels then convolute them. Remember, convolution is a static process in most tools, including Space Designer.
How would you judge the value of using "Impulse Responses"
in comparison to "Plug-Ins"?
Well, I don't think anyone's done a tape saturation plugin properly yet. I'm not an expert in this field, but had some interesting discussions with one of the Sonalksis developers over on KVR who is heavily researching into tape saturation (he's doing a doctorate in the subject) and he thinks that it is possible to do a decent tape saturation plugin - not easy by a long stretch, but possible, so I'm sure we will eventually see decent plugs appearing.
Having said that, I'm not actually a huge fan of the tape sound anyway - I like the impulses for that colour if I need it, but I certainly don't run everything through it. I don't really like the smeared transients, at least on my "less natural" pieces. Rock music (as an example) may well work better.
The plugins that do saturation in varying amounts are a mixed bag in my opinion. A lot of people love VintageWarmer, but I'm not that keen on it (again, I'm not an "expert" by a long stretch, these are just my personal opinions).
I've had some great results using Guitar Amp Pro for saturation and warming (we're talking subtle stuff here) on drums and guitars.
There are a bunch of other plugs too, but none that I have used to tape saturation. DUY's tape does saturation, but not really accurate tape simulation *from what I have heard* - I haven't used it personally myself. Charles Dye seems to like it, anyway!
. Finally: Did anybody experiance differences in quality when
comparing Convolution Reverbs (i.e. SD vs Altiverb vs Waves) in
processing the same IR?
In general, no. Mathmatical convolution is afaiu a mathmatically "perfect" process, much like the adding of audio signals in the digital realm. As long as you know how to do the maths correctly, there should be no difference, given the same IR (it's the IR that really determines the quality of the output).
Of course, different plugs implement things differently, and have different features, but by and large, the convolution engines these things use should be generally the same.
Again, I'm no expert and haven't done exhaustive testing or anything - this info comes from discussions I have and my understanding of these processes from a DSP point of view. Other may well be able to back up or debunk what I've said, so I'll leave the floor to them now...

Space Designer loses impulses

Hi
I have a song with a two Space Designers which use impulses from NoiseVault. I've loaded the IR's and saved off presets, not a problem. However, sometimes when I reopen the song the Space Designer asks for the location of the IR's again. So I find them and it's happy. When I come back to the song again at a later time, it asks for the IR's again. What's going on, the preset seems to be losings the location of the IR, which hasn't changed.
cheers
z

zibba, try putting a "noisevault" alias in
-/Library/ApplicationSupport/Logic/ImpluseResponses.
have had the same problem, and the above should help. unless of course, you've put them there already.
also, get onyx and use the "optimise system" command.

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