In "Save As", display as "Kind" rather than by "Name"

Hi. I have a number of users asking this question. On their Mac, when trying to "Save As", how do they get to sort the contents of the target folder by "Kind" rather than by "Name". The default way results in a muddled display of files and folders. It would be nice to Have all the folders listed, and then the file names. (See below)
In Finder, I have this button,
enabling me to get the desired result.
Thank you.

rjlee@work wrote:
Hi
Sadly...from Text Editor, I dont.
Click this first (list view):
Sorry, I should have mentioned, the 'save as' is from Word, Excel etc. In Text editor, I see the Kind header, but it is just a lable, not an active column.
It can be done in Excel also. 
(You might have to right-click the colm headings and select Kind to have it listed):

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