Inaccurate WiFi crowd sourcing

I'm at home connected to my home wifi but location services thinks I'm a few doors up the street. Therefore, my location-based reminder isn't working. I'm not technically at my home address. How do I fix this?

WiFi network locations are largely based on drive-by network sniffing, primarily by Google (can't think of a better way to phrase this...) Locations are not always exact.
If you shut off WiFi, does it put you in the right place?

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I connect to the wifi source for five seconds and then disconnect for eight seconds. Then my ipad repeats. True for all wifi signal sources.

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Some things to try first:
1. Turn Off your iPad. Then turn Off (disconnect power cord for 30 seconds or longer) the wireless router & then back On. Now boot your iPad. Hopefully it will see the WiFi.
2. Go to Settings>Wi-Fi and turn Off. Then while at Settings>Wi-Fi, turn back On and chose a Network.
3. Change the channel on your wireless router (Auto or Channel 6 is best). Instructions at http://macintoshhowto.com/advanced/how-to-get-a-good-range-on-your-wireless-netw ork.html
4. Go into your router security settings and change from WEP to WPA with AES.
5. Renew IP Address: (especially if you are droping internet connection)
    •    Launch Settings app
    •    Tap on Wi-Fi
    •    Tap on the blue arrow of the Wi-Fi network that you connect to from the list
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iOS 6 Wifi Problems/Fixes
Fix For iOS 6 WiFi Problems?
http://tabletcrunch.com/2012/09/27/fix-ios-6-wifi-problems/
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http://gizmodo.com/5944761/does-ios-6-have-a-wi+fi-bug
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http://www.iphonehacks.com/2012/09/fix-wi-fi-connectivity-issue-after-upgrading- to-ios-6.html
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Look at iOS Troubleshooting Wi-Fi networks and connections http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1398
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WiFi Connecting/Troubleshooting http://www.apple.com/support/ipad/wifi/
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iOS: Connecting to the Internet http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1695
iOS: Recommended settings for Wi-Fi routers and access points http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4199
How to Quickly Fix iPad 3 Wi-Fi Reception Problems
http://osxdaily.com/2012/03/21/fix-new-ipad-3-wi-fi-reception-problems/
iPad Wi-Fi Problems: Comprehensive List of Fixes
http://appletoolbox.com/2010/04/ipad-wi-fi-problems-comprehensive-list-of-fixes/
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How To Fix iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch Wi-Fi Connectivity Issue http://tinyurl.com/7nvxbmz
Unable to Connect After iOS Update - saw this solution on another post.
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How can I tell Apple to store my MAC-address of my Wifi Router in there location DB?

Hello
Recently I bought a new Wifi Router and when I use the Maps App it tells that my ipad is located in China (Shangai)
When I also want to use the automatic timezone feature in the preferences app it indicates that my ipad is in China (Shangai)
I have already searched for a number of discussions (in and out the Apple Support) and their I found that the problem is in a location DB managed by Apple (crowd-sourced database). It seems that my Wifi Router is registered with a wrong location. :-(
my questions :
.- is the somebody that can give me a procedure (certified by Apple) how I can update this location DB?
.- How can I store my Wifi Router MAC address with the correct location in this DB?
Already thanks in advance
Kindly regards
P@nt@ni

try this
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How does "Find iPhone" work for a wifi-only iPad?

My wife's iPad is in out home on a satellite internet connection, in the country, connected to our router which assigns it an internal IP address. Yet when I log into Find iPhone from my iPhone, it shows up right inside the house most of the time, within 200' or so other times. Now the "circle of uncertainty" is larger then my wife's iPhone, it's still pretty accurate given the way it's connected. This baffles me.
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Philly_Phan wrote:
That doesn't answer HOW the database determined the router location to begin with./message-abuse!input.jspa?objectID=28092111&objectType=2
It does – the OP is using multiple iOS devices, the iPhones have GPS which is used to submit data to Apple via the diagnostics & usage. It may also come from other iOS users who have the same feature enabled.
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Drew Reece wrote:
I suspect the reason that your cellular iPad is getting accurate locations is because your modem is broadcasting a wifi access point. IP's are a poor indicator of location, despite what CSI tells you
That access point will be added to Apples database. Your iPhone has a setting that will help with this… 'Settings > General > Usage > Diagnostics & usage', if Automatically send is enabled then you are reporting anonymous data to Apple, including the location of the networks you use, the same network that is in range for the iPad. Apple is using iOS to crowd source the data.
Not true at all. A cellular iPad also has a GPS receiver and it obtains location information from GPS. GPS signals are separate from and completely unrelated to both the Internet and the cellular telephone network. GPS signals come directly from the GPS satellites. They provide signals that allow GPS receivers to calculate latitude and longitude information. Software inside the device translates latitude/longitude into landmark information, such as street addresses.
I was referring to the GPS on the iPhone.
I know how GPS works thanks, I can see 4 satellites in this hemisphere, the others are out of view
I was also assuming this was a wifi iPad (no cellular, no GPS) - hence the reason for the original poster surprise. However I may have simply read 'wife's iPad' as 'wifi iPad'?

Why does find my iphone keep showing inaccurate locations

when trying to locate my iphone 3g from my computer windows 7 it keeps giving me the incorrect locations and it hits back often on the same location throughout the day. Often times when i press the refresh button it shows my phone to be in one place and then instantly moves it back to another place. Also on Google's Location History it shows the exact points of location to be the same as Find my iphone locations. Is it a glich or is my iphone really going to these places?

Hi lissadn,
Thanks for using Apple Support Communities. This article covers the factors involved in location accuracy and some suggestions for improving it:
iOS 7: Understanding Location Services
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5594
About location precision or accuracy
Depending on your device and available services, Location Services uses a combination of cellular, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and GPS to determine your location. If you're not within a clear line of sight to GPS satellites, your device can determine your location using crowd-sourced Wi-Fi5 and cell tower locations or iBeacons.
Apps that can show your location on the screen, including Maps, indicate your current (approximate) location using a blue marker. If your location can’t be determined precisely, a blue circle also appears around the marker. The size of the circle shows how precisely your location can be determined—the smaller the circle, the greater the precision.
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Maps, directions, and location-based apps depend on data services. These data services are subject to change and may not be available in all geographic areas, resulting in maps, directions, or location-based information that may be unavailable, inaccurate, or incomplete. Compare the information provided on the device to your surroundings and defer to posted signs to resolve any discrepancies.
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Ensure the date, time, and time zone are correctly set on the device in Settings > General > Date & Time. If possible, use Set Automatically.
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Restart your device.
Verify that you have a cellular or Wi-Fi network connection. This allows the Assisted GPS (A-GPS) on the device to locate visible GPS satellites faster, in addition to providing initial location information using the Wi-Fi or cellular networks.
Note: Microcells (sometimes called Femtocells) aren't supported with Location Services.
Maintain a clear view of the horizon in several directions. Keep in mind that walls, vehicle roofs, tall buildings, mountains, and other obstructions can block line of sight to GPS satellites. When this occurs, your device will automatically use Wi-Fi or cellular networks to determine your position until the GPS satellites are visible again.
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Big thanks for your answer - very helpful
So am I right in thinking that if the phone can find my wifi network it should make use of that first and only if no recognised network is available will it jump to 3G?
Any idea what happens for apps like skype that (I think) won't work on 3G - do they try and find a wifi network source automatically?
Thanks again for any info

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Sorry for a really noddy question - but i've just got an iphone - is there a quick way of finding out if i'm connecting to the internet through 3g or my wifi connection? i think i have both set up fine but i'd like to know when i'm using which?
thanks
David thomas

Big thanks for your answer - very helpful
So am I right in thinking that if the phone can find my wifi network it should make use of that first and only if no recognised network is available will it jump to 3G?
Any idea what happens for apps like skype that (I think) won't work on 3G - do they try and find a wifi network source automatically?
Thanks again for any info

Streaming app does not work, no cellular excuse given.

I have an app that promises live rugby league games in Australia, the app is called " NRL 2014 " . It has various features that work very well including replays of games however when I tried to view a live game I received pop up banners about location issues. So I proceeded to contact their help centre which is a forum board,here is the link to the discussion https://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/t5/NRL-2014/Could-not-view-match-location-is sue/td-p/260135
I use an ipad that does not support cellular, and rely on my home router for wifi connection. I use it regularly to stream from various other live broadcasts without any problems. I do not understand their explanation.
This is their reason as to why I cannot access the live games....
Re: Could not view match, location issue
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7 hours ago
Hi all,
Quick update on users that are experiencing issues on iPad 2 WiFi only model (no 3G/4G Sim Card):
As there isn't a physical GPS module available in this device, location services can only be obtained via Crowd-sourced WiFi Location Services
Here is an excerpt taken from the link above by Apple on how this works:
"If Location Services is on, your device will periodically send the geo-tagged locations of nearby Wi-Fi hotspots and cell towers in an anonymous and encrypted form to Apple to augment Apple's crowd-sourced database of Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower locations. In addition, if you're traveling (for example, in a car) and Location Services is on, a GPS-enabled iOS device will also periodically send GPS locations and travel speed information in an anonymous and encrypted form to Apple to be used for building up Apple's crowd-sourced road traffic database. The crowd-sourced location data gathered by Apple doesn't personally identify you."
In short, if the WiFi access point you are using at the time of accessing content on the NRL app isn't actually listed in the crowd-sourced database, we will not be able to identify you.
Whilst not ideal, it is a situation that isn't controlled by us. However, we would suggest trying the following:
Connecting via a different WiFi hotspot
Connecting the the current WiFi hotspot using a device that has a GPS/Mobile Connectivity, so that the WiFi hotspot can be added into the database with a location that will help identify
The 2nd option however may not guarantee it will work, depending on how often the crowd-sourced databases are updated
Apologies that this may not sound ideal, but it's the explanation that makes sense, especially when you were able to connect through using your iPhone device.
To the other user experiencing a separate issue on Android devices, our developers are still investigating on the cause and I'll keep you posted on any updates on that front.
Regards,
NRL App Support

I have an app that promises live rugby league games in Australia, the app is called " NRL 2014 " . It has various features that work very well including replays of games however when I tried to view a live game I received pop up banners about location issues. So I proceeded to contact their help centre which is a forum board,here is the link to the discussion https://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/t5/NRL-2014/Could-not-view-match-location-is sue/td-p/260135
I use an ipad that does not support cellular, and rely on my home router for wifi connection. I use it regularly to stream from various other live broadcasts without any problems. I do not understand their explanation.
This is their reason as to why I cannot access the live games....
Re: Could not view match, location issue
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7 hours ago
Hi all,
Quick update on users that are experiencing issues on iPad 2 WiFi only model (no 3G/4G Sim Card):
As there isn't a physical GPS module available in this device, location services can only be obtained via Crowd-sourced WiFi Location Services
Here is an excerpt taken from the link above by Apple on how this works:
"If Location Services is on, your device will periodically send the geo-tagged locations of nearby Wi-Fi hotspots and cell towers in an anonymous and encrypted form to Apple to augment Apple's crowd-sourced database of Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower locations. In addition, if you're traveling (for example, in a car) and Location Services is on, a GPS-enabled iOS device will also periodically send GPS locations and travel speed information in an anonymous and encrypted form to Apple to be used for building up Apple's crowd-sourced road traffic database. The crowd-sourced location data gathered by Apple doesn't personally identify you."
In short, if the WiFi access point you are using at the time of accessing content on the NRL app isn't actually listed in the crowd-sourced database, we will not be able to identify you.
Whilst not ideal, it is a situation that isn't controlled by us. However, we would suggest trying the following:
Connecting via a different WiFi hotspot
Connecting the the current WiFi hotspot using a device that has a GPS/Mobile Connectivity, so that the WiFi hotspot can be added into the database with a location that will help identify
The 2nd option however may not guarantee it will work, depending on how often the crowd-sourced databases are updated
Apologies that this may not sound ideal, but it's the explanation that makes sense, especially when you were able to connect through using your iPhone device.
To the other user experiencing a separate issue on Android devices, our developers are still investigating on the cause and I'll keep you posted on any updates on that front.
Regards,
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I have set up Find my Iphone on my iphone 4G and it works perfectly. However, on my iPad, I can't get it to work! I have the wifi/3G 64 GB iPad 2 but don't use the 3G. I have reset, hard reset and tried every suggestion I could find but still no luck. Am I the only one having this problem? why does my iphone work but not my iPad? I would not assume I need 3G. Please help.

pvonk wrote:
If you are not using the 3G on your iPad, then the device must rely on the wifi router's location. If the router is not found on a master database, then the iPad cannot indicate its location. No problem with the iPhone, since it gets it's location from the GPS, if not cell tower. But with a wifi device, it must rely on its router location to be defined in some database maintained somewhere on the Internet.
and this is exactly what the "crowd sourced database" that the iPhone uses does.
It will identify wifi access point locations and forward to Apple so wifi devices can locate themselves.
When identifying location with the iPhone (or 3G iPad with 3G turned on), it should update the database and at some point (when this databse info is made available), the iPad should locate itself with wifi only.
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Updating location

First, let me say that I know how crowd sourced location works on iPads with no GPS. But just how long does it take for location of the WIFI router to get updated when an iPhone is constantly connected to the WIFI?

the iphone don't rely on wifi or cellular to get location it get it from it's GPS receiver
to get location using wifi you have to depend on the router to provide it
if the router don't it's not default that they do
then the router the router is connected to if not that the router that is connected to....

How routers are added to location database?

I know that Apple works with a database where routers are saved with its locations. When your iDevice is connected to a wifi network it copies part of the database and part of the map corresponding to your actual location to its caché.
I once read that Street View's cars uploaded routers and their locations when working.
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One of my thoughts was that iPhone, which owns GPS and satellital network, could upload routers to that database, am I right?
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In my first post, I meant to say "people with iPhone" could be uploading routers and its locations unconsciously.
Yes, I was close, thanks for that article, I should have read it before. However it would be more simple to understand if we just post this:
Crowd-sourced Wi-Fi and cellular Location Services
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All,
I guess I am coming late to party on the feature called iTunes DJ, which was killed off with the release of iTunes 11, but I am seeking a solution to the capability of allowing my guests to crowd source a song queue at my parties.
One I have already researched is Party DJ, which seems like a reasonable solution for iOS, but not a MAC OS based iTunes library. Party DJ only offered songs to be played that were actually downloaded on my host iPhone or iPad. My music library is too large for download to any iOS based device, and the app doesn't seem to present songs that are part of iTunes match (these are visible on the host iPhone/iPad, but not guest iPhone/iPads). Party DJ also allows anyone's iPhone to take control of playing music (as the source), but music on a guest's iPhone cannot be added to the host queue, it must me connected as the source (taking over the airport express). If I'm wrong about Party DJ, please let me know, but in my playing around with it that's about how far I got.
Any suggestions are much appreciated?
What I would ideally like to do this the following, and if any iTune's or Apple aficionado's out there can dream up a solution that would be appreciated?
1. I have Airport Express and Apple TV, as well as property wide WiFi. The Airport express is connected to a multi-channel property wide stereo amplifier.
2. I would ideally like to make my entire music library visible to any guest with an iPhone (supporting android would be great as well).
3. Allowing guests to add songs from my library to the central queue is the minimum requirement, but allowing them to also add from their personal iPhone libraries to the central queue would be the next most important feature.
4. Voting on songs to prioritize playback is great but not critical.
The ideal solution would be an app that allows this, but I'm willing to consider other ideas like having a central server, web interface, or using a host of my own iPads that people can share for this purpose. (Use them like coffee table controls to add songs to a central play-list was one thought I had to work around.
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No, unlike WMP, iTunes won't scan your folders for music automatically.
WMP and iTunes have slightly different organisational schemes. In particular iTunes limits file & folder names to 40 characters and they treat characters that are not valid for filenames differently. As long as each media player can find your files it shouldn't really matter.
I meant to recommend that you read the whole thread preceding my post for background. Rather than point the *iTunes Media* folder up to *My Music* my suggestion is that it is better to move all music down into *My Music\iTunes\iTunes Media\Music* and have the iTunes Media folder in preferences pointed at *My Music\iTunes\iTunes Media*. A particular advantage of this layout is that it makes your library self-contained (good for backing up) and portable (good for moving to different path/drive).
Again I recommend that you let iTunes organize everything as WMP will catch up. The converse is not true. If you move files around by hand iTunes will lose track of them. If have very definite ideas about how your media should be laid out I do have a script that I use for this but you would need to be able to customize it to fit your requirements.
If you're happy to start over, simply select everything in Music and delete it, confirm that you want to remove the files from iTunes, but that you want to keep the files. A safer bet might be to close iTunes and rename the file *iTunes Library.itl* as *iTunes Library (OLD).itl* and then start iTunes. It should create a blank library for you to start over with. Before starting iTunes move all the music folders from *My Music* down to *My Music\iTunes\iTunes Media\Music*.
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Updated iPad 2 to iOS 7.1.1, and used Find iPhone and is saying I am in a location forty minutes from where I am now. My iPhone is in the correct location, and is on the same WiFi network. I already tried resetting all of the settings. Should I be worried? How do I fix the error?

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I have an iPad 2 with Wi-Fi only. I was travelling on a highway which means that I have no access to Wi-Fi from any nearby source. My Google Maps app was on and surprisingly it constantly kept showing my current location. I understand that the Wi-Fi only model doesnt have a GPS function so then what was that thing that helped my device in locating me. *Just curious to know*
P.s.- The bluetooth was on but on a highway driving at 75 mph (120kmph) its hard to maintain a constant bluetooth connection. I have turned off my location services for all apps other than Google Maps.
Was it the crowd-sourcing Wi-Fi hotspot that was working or some NBLS method?

If you have the WiFi-only iPad your location is determined by the location of nearby WiFi routers. Location-finding is done by using a Apple location database which contains the MAC addresses of routers and their physical location. A MAC address is a unique number which is built-in to all network devices when manufactured. The Apple database is built and updated by Apple GPS-enabled devices (primarily iPhones) actually seeing routers and then adding/updating that router's location in the database.
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