Inadequate preroll for batch capture

I am redigitizing footage that was accidentally trashed and I am unable to batch capture one of the clips because it starts 4 frames into the tape, so there's not enough pre-roll. How can I capture otherwise and still have the fcp project recognize that the video belongs to that clip?

recutting is pretty easy.
a- Switch on Timecode Overlay in the sequence.
b- In the Browser Color Label the clip that doesn't recapture. (Control-click on the master clip in the browser, choose Label > pick a color.) This way the problematic clips are easily identified in the sequence.
c- Recapture the clip from the point where you can. If you used a shot from the first 5 seconds of your tape in the timeline, then you'll need to recapture using Capture now, otherwise use Log and Capture. Your disk might fail again). Do NOT erase the old (offline) masterclip.
Now you can re-cut the missing parts manually, reading and typing tc. But is very easy to mistype. So I always do it like this.
1- Now find first clip to replace in the timeline. Go to it's first frame.
2- Press 'x' To set in and outpoint for the clip. *
3- Make sure you're on the inpoint (If not, press SHIFT-i)
4- Press f, to match frame to the offline masterclip. It is activated in the Viewer Window, with the pointer on the in-point.
5- Press TAB until the little position-window (top-right) is activated.
6- Copy (Press Command C)
7- Double click the new captured master clip. to load it in the viewer.
8- Again Press TAB until the little position-window (top-right) is activated.
9- Paste (Press Command-V)
10- set inpoint ("i")
11- Put the clip in the timeline using F10 and the autoselectors, or drag and drop.
12- repeat all this from point 1 for the next clip....
* Depending on the way it is cut, you sometimes need to give in- and outpoints manually (L-cuts, etc). Be aware that for outpoints you can jump to the nest cut using arrow-down key) but you need to step 1 frame back (using arrow-left key) and set the outpoint ("o")
Also on L-cut's you'll need to be a little creative by first insert a shorter clip and make it the appropriat length by dragging only the audio-part-outpoints OR the video only.
All this looks more difficult than it is. Really
All the best
Rienk

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