Incompatibility between Diamond Plus and EVGA 7900GT series?

Hello again!
I began to wonder if there might be a problem with my video card. I am almost sure that MSI with nForce4 doesn't make a good team with EVGA 7900 GT CO SC.
I know that the SuperClocked model has problems (mine has also), but the problem is this one: my 3dmark06 scores are in the 3800..4700 range. It's just random. I always ran the tests in the same conditions (stopped antivirus, etc. and all other background/real time processes that could be stopped).
I saying that this is an incompatibility because I know another person that has a MSI nForce4 board (not my model) and a SuperClocked EVGA 7900GT and he experiences the same problems.
I'm sure that this is not an OS/drivers related problems. I carefully installed all "things".
If you have any sugestions please shoot...
I guess I should be thinking about changing my video card, because I like too much the mobo.
The guy that helped me OC my rig, measured the Vcore and it was exactly 1,399 V. And it stayed that way. The multimeter was a brand one, so I trust his measurements. He told me that this is the most stable Vcore that he has seen in his life. Even DFI doesn't have such a stable Vcore. And he also compared the measurements with the BIOS settings, and he said that the mobo is over-volting. For having a 1,4 measured Vcore, I had to se 1,35V in BIOS.
If you had seen this problems before, please input here.
As you already know, your help is greatly appreciated.
Thank you!

Yes, I tried to run the tests without OC and the results remained unchanged for the shaders.
I'm 90% sure that this is an incompatibility issue because I had tried today my video card in two other computers and it ran smoothly. It even supported 568/1840 (550/1580 are the stock freqs, as you already know). Those computers were having Asus A8NE and DFI Ultra-D mobos.
Sooo... this is an incompatibility between MSI with nForce4 and EVGA 7900 series.
I generalize because I know another guy with another mobo from MSI with nForce4 SLI (the simple SLI, not X16 like Diamond Plus) which preferred to change his EVGA video card with a Leadtek.
Don't believe me? No problem, it's your money and your time.
But... If you want no headackes, don't mix MSI with nForce4 and EVGA 7900 series.
Btw, the guy with the DFI board that I was writing about earlier, was the technician that is working at the store from where I bought the EVGA.
Boy... poor little man... you should have seen his face when I told him about the problems with the video card... When no problems were found after testing it, you should have seen my face... Boy... I was so ashamed...
All in all, it would be a great thing if MSI would launch more often BIOSes for their/our mobos... Preferably stable BIOSes, where you don't see things "dissapearing". I paid 240$ for this mobo in my country...
Bas, don't get me wrong. I love this mobo and I would not change it for anything else, but I feel that it's true potential is not fully used; like a car equiped with a powerfull engine, but because of a poor designed ECU, it doesn't put all its horses on the ground.
I repeat, I am not arguing with any one, I had just written my wishes.
Cheers!

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OI,
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Quote from: skippy9146 on 20-January-06, 08:51:51
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"the upgrade to Diamond Plus my system always restart just like pressing the reset button. "
give more info how, where, what was last action before happend?
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