Incorrect Web Display of Images

Images I have uploaded do not display the same Photosop as viewed in a browser (viewed in Safari, or Firefox on Apple Cinema display OS10.4.11) . The web images appear de-saturated and a bit washed out. (I use Adobe RGB 1998)
I'm a print imaging specialist, not a web pro. But I am enhancing a large number of images for various web galleries & would like to have the web images appear as I intended them. I would prefer not to add a compensating curve.
Exporting the images with "save for web" does not help. Neither does converting to sRGB.

actually I care about all of this and have to go by what I have experienced on both the pc and mac side. Like GB points out, on the pc side, life is easier as the assumption that sRGB values should be used and not other color spaces. I think the mac desktop uses monitor color for example. So one could have one image that looks different on a mac's desktop as wallpaper, and that image will look different depending on the browser, and different when viewed on a pc. And this may be a single file with sRGB profile.
Switching to the mac had benefits for sure, but there are learning curves as well.
For now, the best thing I see to do is to output from ACR in 16 bit sRGb. Eventually the 16 bit will need to go to 8 bit - after curves and level changes. I looked at the Save for Web settings in CS4 and how one can preview in a mock situation, like a PC no color management, mac no color management, or monitor color. I do wish on the Save for Web and Devices for the Mac no color management for the Preview, that it would allow us to set whether that is for a 1.8 or 2.2 gamma. As it stands, it looks like 1.8 and from what I gather, most mac users are no longer using 1.8 gamma and in fact Mac is going to 2.2 or has already with most things. So why is the preview here 1.8? Kinda useless, not going to print here.
The thing I feel though is if one starts at ProPhoto or Adobe 16bit RGB you will end up not knowing truly what the end results will look like when you convert the profile to either save for web or convert to sRGB. If you start off heading towards sRGB either as outputting to sRGB or maybe Adobe RGB, against what most recommend, then you at least are editing towards the final results. I just don't like seeing what is going on when using a higher gamut then converting down. I will stay with Adobe RGB to sRGB but can't see going to ProPhoto and watching how much the image changes when you go through the process. Yes, I am using ACE and relative.
Well, in reading that, I may still stay with outputting from ACR sRGB 16 bit as that looks to me the better route and keeps me in a comfort level. I most likely will go buy a pc laptop just to see what the images look like at the very end. I thought I was done with PC for now but as most are on PCs, then will have to purchase one to see what they really see. That or trust the Save for Web/Devices preview showing PC No Color Management. Hum... not too trusting.
Until I get my 23" Apple Cinema Display back from Apple, it is hard to say what I will finally do as I am only looking at a Macbook Pro screen and that just does not cut it. What it is, 9 bit? I can't say I could share any test results accurately with this screen.
But I am listening to what is written here and following along and keeping an open mind.
GB, do you work on a mac as well?
R

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