Incorrectly calculating hfe/input impedance

Hello
Multisim calculates wrongly the input impedance of a common emitter stage - judging from the voltage drop on the base resistor network it appears it assumes a hfe of about 10, when the real value is over 500. I used the 2N2222A as a model, and the error is there on multiple transistors with hfes many multiples of 10.
Could you please let me know what I am witnessing here? 
Thanks
Akis

Hi All,
I also ran this test and found that the HFE value was around the 220 mark. I wonder if you are looking at a different flavour of 2n2222A transistor? A quick look on google revealed the following components
Microsemi - HFE between 50 and 100
Philips Semi conductors - HFE 75
SemiLab - HFE between 100 and 300.
I think the thing to note is that these transistors can have a quite varying value for HFE. If you navigate to the component browser, find the 2N2222A component and click on the button marked "Detail report". You can see that the hFE value will vary between 35 and 300.
I hope this helps,
Many thanks, 
Andrew McLennan
Applications Engineer
National Instruments

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