InDesign or Illustrator? or something else?? HELP!

Hello! Newbie here with a question.. I apologize in advance if I am in the wrong forum..
I am looking at getting into business with my father who owns a printing company, I will be in the Graphic Design side of the business..
I need to know which study course would be best for me to do.. Our company will do business cards, logo designs, flyers etc as well as my own little side business desiging web banners e.g Etsy, Facebook etc.. I just dont know which is best.. can anyone point me in the right direction please?

Honestly, you're gong to need a lot of training. You'll need to know Photoshop, Illustrator, and InDesign, and at least have a working comfort with Acrobat pro as a bare minimum.

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    Hello All,
    I couldn't find an appropriate place to post this discussion, but I thought I would start here as I saw a similar discussion in this forum.
    I have been a musician for a long time, running my own ensemble, but recently I have decided to pursue a path in arts administration, a sector in which I have moderate experience.
    Still going to keep my music and ensemble going, but to bolster my resume as well as my skills to help my own ensemble, I've decided to take classes and pursue certification in web/graphic design at a local Art/Design college.
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    I don't know if I am very much off the mark in the functionality of these two. Both seem very interesting, and both probably useful in both my marketability in the job market and my personal work. But I would probably feel more comfortable become very proficient in one rather than a novice in both. I would take both if many people here find good reason to do so.
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    There are basically two different kinds of computer graphics: raster-based (arrays of pixels) and vector-based (stacks of mathematically-defined paths).
    Web-centric work is overwhelmingly more dependent upon simple raster images.
    Several technologies enable the web to deliver vector-based artwork. Websites which do that are generally more sophisticated.
    Photoshop (and programs like it) is for creating/editing raster images.
    Illustrator  (and programs like it) is for creating/editing vector-based graphics.
    ( By the way, you seem to have overlooked video, which is becoming as ubiquitous a content type as the other two.)
    Then, there are programs dedicated to "page assembly"; the work of combining raster artwork, vector artwork, and text into finished whole documents.
    InDesign (and programs like it) is primarily for page assembly of documents destined for commercial print.
    Dreamweaver is primarily for "page assembly" of web pages.
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    Programs like InDesign and programs like Illustrator are far more similar than you'll commonly hear from conventional-wisdom. Both so-called "page layout" programs and "vector drawing" programs are what I try to explain as "object based" (not to be confused with the term 'object oriented programming', which is another thing entirely). That is, they both create documents containing stacks and arrangements of individual and independent objects. Those objects can be any combination of text objects, raster objects, and vector objects.
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    Programs like Illustrator are ostensibly geared toward creation of vector-based artwork. But the truth of the matter is, they are really just as much intended for (and just as frequently used for) whole page design as for standalone illustration.
    The vast majority of "page layout" projects are more graphics-intensive than text-intensive, involve low-page count, and less-repetitive page-to-page design. In other words, placement ads, fliers, mailers, brochures, business cards, stationery, etc., etc. The typical freelance illustrator/designer produces far more of these types of projects in a year than the kinds of "bookish" projects which programs like InDesign expedite. And the "dirty little secret" is: It's actually more efficient to build these kinds of common whole-document design projects in a decent so-called "vector drawing" program than in a conventional-wisdom "page layout" program.
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    The fact is, all of Adobe's core applications (Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign) had their beginnings in the days of the desktop-publishing "revolution" of the mid-80s. They are all highly print-oriented. They have all gradually acquired over the intervening decades more "me, too" web-centric features. But the truth is, no one seriously uses Illustrator or InDesign for generating finished web pages. These programs are still primarily rooted in content creation for print. It's just that once you've created a graphic for print, it's a simple thing to dumb it down to re-purpose it for web.
    And that's actually a good thing, because…
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    The vast majority of commerical enterprises which buy graphics and design do not only market themselves on the web. Despite decades-old buzzword claims to the contrary, print is very, very far from "dead." And the ugly truth is, when you are creating graphics for a both print and web delivery, it makes far, far more sense to develop for print first, web second. Understand; I said graphics.
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    Anyone seriously involved in computer graphics in general (whether for web or print) needs to be at least well-versed and intelligently conversant in all three functions: Raster imaging, vector graphics, and page assemby, and how they relate.
    Beyond that, anyone seriously involved in print publishing also needs to be at least conversant in print-centric technicalities. Color separation. Halftoning. Process color versus spot color. Ink on paper. Color correction versus color calibration. The vast majority of print-centric content creation is done in programs like Adobe's core applications. But courses which merely teach how to use a specific graphics software, typically merely touch upon those other very important related technical subjects.
    Beyond that, anyone seriously involved in web publishing also needs to be at least conversant in web-centric technologies. Nowadays, basic HTML and CSS is not enough. It's big-yawn, archaic kid-stuff. The days of the dumb, standalone web page are numbered. Nowadays there's client-side scripting (Javascript), server-side scripting (PHP), and database back-ends (SQL) and all of these are becoming ubiquitous, even for fairly modest websites.
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