InDesign Table Style Defintions?

Surely it must be a pre-requisite to be able to define the minimum row height in defining a table style. Either in the table setup or the cell/row style definitions. I can't find where you would do this anywhere. Is this an ommision and will I have to go through all 48 pages of the publication I'm working on and manually alter the row height for each and every table row. Can't be right, can it?

padwick19 wrote:
Thanks for your response Peter, it all but confirmed what I feared. I’ll be spending the hottest weekend (35C) of the year thus far going through circa 500 tables manually changing the row height. Given you can effect table rows by selection I suppose I could script something that would automate it somewhat. However, past experience has taught me that it may be better to bite the bullet and just start plodding. Oh how I hate tables.
By the way I did like the use of the word "disccombobulating", haven't heard it in years and it did raise a smile .
I think I'll avoid the features wishlist as it just sets you up for disappointment, I'll just stick with what they throw my way and count myself lucky I suppose.
Once again thanks very much and if you are sitting there over the weekend spare a thought for the sad old sucker sitting here in Essex (UK) trauling through endless tables, even if it is just to laugh and make your weekend better.
Regards,
Pat Doyle
Hi, Pat:
I'm flabbergasted by your ease at giving up any hope of your wishlist vote ever being effective. Whatever happened to Stiff Upper Lip, eh, what? Heck, last week or so, a Brit won a US golf title after eons of dashed hopes, and soon - any moment - all around the world, oceans of ink, forests of trees, and universes of electrons will all be spilt when, again, after ages of Commonwealth-wide yearning, a new Royal offspring is issued! What's your problem?! File the form and get it off your to-do list<G>! You never know when a wish may come true.
(I'm in Minnesota, where for being one of the coldest US contiguous states, currently it's one of the hottest among the many states whose populations are sweating away precious bodily fluids in a prolonged heat wave. It may be rumor,but I've heard that in some ex-pats here, gather in pubs and sing "Heat Rules the Waves."
Regards,
Peter
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Place document from Word in to InDesign document
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Convert text using paragraph styles
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Highlight entire table to select table style
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CRASH!!!!
I have tried the following things with NO LUCK:
Deleted adobefntX file multiple times (actually worked for a couple of hours first time I did it)
Deleted InDesign preferences (did nothing)
Re-created all "Styles" in InDesign (Character, Paragraph, Cell, & Table) (Did nothing)
Changed the order in which I altered the tables text and formatting (thinking it was just a silly order problem)
Unistalled and Re-installed CS3 (worked for 5 tables and then CRASH)
Updated ALL software (Adobe and Mac)
Started up in Safe mode and CRASH!!!
I realize from seraching for this problem on the web that I am probably the ONLY person having this issue, but I thought it was a font problem until I started in Safe Mode and still crashed. I am totally confused as to what I should do next. I am running on a
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I am not familiar with InDesign Interchange, do you think this will help?
That's why I suggested it. But you didn't answer my question: Is this happening with only one file? The reason I ask is because if one file is corrupted, saving to INX and back to INDD often clears out minor corruptions. If you're seeing this in many files it's unlikely they're all corrupt.
1. Convert text using paragraph styles - I meant modified "placed" text using character styles
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Are you really highlighting an entire table and applying a character style? While this will work to modify certain formatting aspects, it's not really the best approach. Character styles are for characters *within* a paragraph. Paragraph styles are for *entire* paragraphs. Each table cell contains at least one full paragraph, even if it's just a single number, a space, even if there's nothing there at all. If you want to format the contents of an entire cell or range of cells with the same formatting, use a paragraph style, not a character style. If you want to italicize one or two words in some text in a cell (the way I just did), then use a character style.
I really feel that the issue either stems from fonts or from placing the document from Word.
Could be. Cheap fonts are the cause of many problems in Indesign. Indesign is really picky about fonts. But let's try the easy fix first (INX). If you don't trust it, save the .inx to a new .indd filename (keep your old .indd file as a backup).
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Hi,
I was able to reproduce the issue you are facing.
I will be logging a bug for this and it would be investigated.
Thanks a lot for reporting the problem!!
Javed

Why doesnt applies table style?

Give, pls a hint (again ;))
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