Indesign to PDF switch sizes, why?

I'm using Indesign CS2 and trying to make a book to Blurb PDF. I've downloaded their templates for Indesign. Selected the 221-296 standard-portrait template which size is to be and remain 1278x774 pts. I click file>adobe preset>Blurb x3-2002>marks, all printers mark>export. Into adobe reader check doc size file>properties> and doc size should be 1278x774 pts, but. . . it will change size from 1233.5x729.5, or 1320x816 pts. I've worked on this for a week, Blurb just says wrong template. But I've redownloaded the templates and have the same result. What am I clicking on or not clicking on in Indesign?

"all printers mark".
The regular size of a document is the one you see in Document Setup. However, the printer marks need a fair bit of space as well -- you wouldn't want the printer marks to be visible on your pages. You can check your correct page size by measuring the distance between the marks, on an unscaled print-out or, using the Acrobat measurement tool, on your screen.
So, if you do not add any printer mark, you'll get exactly the page size you want. On the other hand, if you need to send your PDF to a professional printer, he will insist on having a version with printer marks.

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rayzha wrote:
So I need to d/l adobe acrobat?
OK, so this sounds like you don't have a Creative Suite package, or perhaps you are using Creative Cloud and didn't install Acrobat Pro.
The free Adobe Reader will not help you to optimize a PDF, you need the full, paid, Acrobat application. Uwe's suggestion to distill might get you a smaller PDF, but again, without Acrobat you won't have Distiller. There are a few freeware Distiller clones that would probably work for plain text, but I doubt there's much that can be done to bring the size down on a file that has nothing but text in it without removing the non-graphic disposables like metadata, and the embedded page thumbnails, which requires the optimizer.
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For some reason I can't find reply on Forums site, so replying to this
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Exporting an Interactive pdf using the attached (15.8) jpegs settings
creates a file that is 15.8 Mgb.
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I create black and white user manuals with ID CS3. We post these online, so I try to get the file size down as much as possible.
There is only one .psd image in each manual. The content does not have any photographs, just Illustrator .eps diagrams and line drawings. I am trying to figure out why some PDF file sizes are so large.
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> Though, the sizes of the .eps's are only about 100K to 200K in size and they are linked, not embedded.
But they're embedded in the PDF.
> It's just strange though because our marketing department as an 80 page full color catalog that, when exported it is only 5MB. Their ID document uses many very large .tif files. So, I am leaning toward it being an .eps/.ai issue??
Issue implies there's something wrong, but I think this is just the way
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Line drawings, while usually fairly compact, cannot be lossy compressed.
The marketing department, though, may compress their very large TIFF
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Just open a few of your EPS drawings in Photoshop, save as TIFF, place
in ID, and try various downsampling schemes. If you downsample enough,
you'll get the size of the PDF below a PDF that uses the same graphics
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Quark to the best of my knowledge still goes the Postscript to PDF route - I'm not 100% sure on that.
But here's why Export is differetn than how you print to Postscript and distill http://indesignsecrets.com/creating-pdf-export-or-use-distiller.php
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But, there's a lot of document overhead in PDFs.
The High Quality setting is only meant as a guide. It's not meant to be used, in my opinion, out of the box.
This explains why and how to counter it.
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The Help files do give some clues
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This PDF guide is MUST http://www.adobe.com/designcenter/cs3/articles/cs3_printguide.html
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I have a large file that is generates a PDF about 75MB when exported with the "[High Quality Print]" preset. However, I can reduce the size down to to under 5MG in Acrobat if I use the Tools>Flattener Preview>[Medium Resolution] setting (image attached). Is there a way to generate this smaller file directly from InDesign? I couldn't figure out how to do this with InDesign's Flattener Preview or Export options, but it is very likely that I missed something.

Eugene Tyson wrote:
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Seeing 750k described as a huge PDF is amusing when I often need to send files for print that are 750 mb or more.
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Thanks, I read Petteri's and Peter's replies very carefully.
InDesign treats grayscale images as being on the K plate of the CMYK
working space.
That is enlightening, yet I do not understand what it means (K v. Dot Gain 20%) — I simply want a PDF properly Converted and tagged with the "Gray Dot Gain 20%" ICC profile.
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My first tagged Gray Dot Gain 20% image reads "DeviceCMYK" in Object Inspector.
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All my text in my 100-page book reads as "DeviceCMYK" in Object Inspector.
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If I then use Acrobat Convert Colors "Convert to Profile> Dot Gain 20%> Embed profile — then Acrobat's Object Inspector reads all my images and text as "ICCBasedGray Dot Gain 20%" as desired.
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In my four previous books, I've Placed my tagged Gray Dot Gain 20% images in InDesign, Exported to PDF to No Color Conversions, Embed and Preserve Profiles, and handed off CMYK PDFs (apparently based on my Working CMYK profile).
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It is possible to convert your CMYK PDF to Dot Gain 20% in Acrobat, but I
was not happy with the appearance on screen the last time I tried it ( I
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That sounds like Acrobat was basing the Conversion on a wrong Source Profile (which is my concern for not being able to verify the profiles it is spitting out in my PDF tests).
It seems if I Converted my InDesign book to sRGB, and Converted all my Gray images to sRGB — that InDesign could Export a tagged sRGB PDF that Acrobat could Convert to Gray Dot Gain 20% (and I could follow the chain).
Then again, I wish I knew what I was doing here...

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