Inexperienced 24p editor w/ FCE

Hey, hopefully someone can help me with my problem:
I shot a project using the Panasonic DVX100B at 24p (not advanced 24p). My cinematographer tells me I need to import using a camera that can at least shoot 24p if not the exact model. Trouble is, I don't have access to one at this current moment in time, and I have found that I can import using a camera that shoots regular video instead of 24p.
Basically, I have no idea how I should go about capturing my footage. Sometimes my FCE's capture program doesn't work right and I have had to import using iMovie. This hasn't been an issue before since I was shooting on regular video.
So... do I really have to import using a 24p camera, or can I import using another camera and change the settings while I'm editing?
I've read numerous discussions on the "editing 24p" subject, and they have not helped me understand it better as of yet, and I can't find any useful information in the manual.
Can a young lad get some help? Thanks!

I read this thread earlier today trying to find a solution to a similar problem, and learned some information I hadn't known. If you have shot the footage in 24fps, you can import it at 24fps, and then when you export to DVD, you can keep it at 24fps, and when played back on NTSC, the DVD player and TV will convert it back to 30fps. In my experience, this looks the best. I'd do a quick test with one clip, and actually burn a test DVD with 24fps to make sure it looks good.
That being said, when I was using the AG-DVX100a, importing at 30fps, exporting 30fps, and burning 30fps was a much easier workflow. It's completely native to everything, and you never have any synch issues, and it still looks like 24P.

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