Infinity, line noise, disconnections: incorrect in...

Hi,
I've had ongoing issues with disconnections on Infinity (and prior to that, copper broadband) - we were getting dozens of disconnections a day - and I think I've found the root cause: intermittent extreme line noise, caused by badly oxidised wiring in the XNTE.
I investigated the entire circuit from faceplate to openreach side of circuit and found the problem to be a very worn connection inside our XNTE (our house is a new build from 2010, so of course we have the infamous XNTE box on the outside wall) - the wires literally fell out of the plug when I touched them.
I've rewired, the line noise has gone and my homehub5 VDSL uptime is nearly two days (its not been this stable since May!) and now I have two questions.
1) Due to the extreme disconnection/error rate, DLM has dropped our data rate to 5.8Mbps download with noise margin of 27/33. How long will it take to re-train? Could/should I request a manual reset? We should be 40Mbps (and indeed, the service ran at this speed for a short while after initial install).
2) My main question: I've read that the XNTE is phased out, and new vDSL installs require the XNTE wiring to be gel-crimped (the XNTE becoming just a simple junction) and a new NTE5 + SSFP (service specific face-plate, I guess this is the one with the filter built into it?) installed as the master socket inside the house. Should this have been done when we switched over to Infinity? Would dearly love some moderator input into this second question. If it turns out we still don't have the correct wiring for Infinity this needs to be addressed.
Thanks in advance for any advice and help.
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Hi punchybda,
Welcome to the forum and thanks for posting about the problems with your line and BT Infinity.
It can take several weeks for DLM to increase the profile again as long as the connection is stable and the noise is gone but if you send in your details we should be able to organise an engineer to visit you and make sure the Infinity set up is up to standard and while he is there he can also organise for the profile to be reset.
Please use the 'contact the mods' link in my forum profile to send in your details and we'll be happy to help you with this. You can find the link by clicking on my username.
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