?? Info readings for white balance in Raw Bridge ??

I'm running CS2 9.0.2 on a G5 iMac and I'm having an annoying but intermittent problem with the information palette shown in the top right hand corner of the Camera Raw window when you open Raws in Bridge. Often when I try to do a white balance, if I'm just trying to roll the pointer over the gray scale to get readings, the info numbers will flash quickly instead of maintaining and updating as you move the mouse.
The values are not blown out or underexposed but you simply cannot read the values in the palette. You have to click on your medium gray, etc... before you can read the numbers on the palette.
Is anyone else having this problem? Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix it?
Thanks.

See the response to my message from Jeff Schewe under the topic "ACR 4: RGB measurement values show --- instead of values." Opening from Photoshop (instead of Bridge) seems to fix the problem (at least for me). You might try that. It's not as convenient as opening from Bridge, but the info then displays correctly in ACR.
--Rich

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Hi,
I have the plugin for RAW to use with Photoshop Elements 5.0 but there doesn't seem to be a way to correct a whole group of photos in raw for white balance or some other correction in a batch. Maybe I'm missing something or maybe this can't be done in Elements.

Elements doesn't have the ability to Batch Process RAW files like you want.
You could make a Batch Conversion to JPEGS, PSD or TIF but each image gets the same default adjustments. I think you could save a new default with your adjustments and then this would get applied in the process. You'd need to remember to go back the Camera Defaults afterwards.
The only other thing available is the Previous Conversion feature but this still means processing the images one by one.
Colin

Bug Fix for White Balance Issue (When ?)

Dear Apple:
When can users expect a patch for the bug that "crept" into Aperture late in the development cycle that seriously effects the white balance tool?
This bug is obviously a major concern and issue for most professional-level photographers; and, quite frankly, prevents Aperture from being used in a professional capacity with regard to RAW decoding.
Cheers

Excuse me, John:
But, quite frankly I don't think you are in any position to tell the users of this form how they should feel. Most users, who happen to be high-end prosumers or professionals such as myself, have paid a great deal of money on a piece of software that was supposed to live up to certain, basic expectations. Unfortunately, that software did not. As such it cannot be used in a professional environment.
Subsequently, an update was provided to address all the concerns that users expressed. Unfortunately, that update created a major issue with regard to the white balance of RAW images. Yet again, this expensive piece of software is nearly useless in a professional environment.
Let me ask you this: "if you were a gardner and paid several hundred dollars for a lawn mower, only to discover that it cut your clients' grass unevenly, would you continue to use it? Would you continue to be patient after taking it into the repair shop only to have it still screw up your lawns? Would you not be on the phone with the repair shop constantly until it was fixed?"
Unfortunately, Aperture is a good idea that has a flawed implementation and that NEEDS to be addressed! So, I will continue to ask Joe and Steve and the others at Apple when will this piece of software actually live up to the expectations set forth by the company that produced it!

Can Bridge report in-camera settings for White Balance?

No matter what settings I choose in Bridge Preferences, I cannot get it to tell me what was the White Balance (WB) setting of the camera when raw images were shot.
This seems an odd omission because Camera Raw is passed this information and displays images correctly, although it doesn't report what WB value it was given, only that what you are viewing, prior to any editing, is the default "As Shot".
I'm referring to raw files shot on my Canon 300D, Nikon D700 and Canon 5D Mark II.
Currently I'm using PsCS6 (13.0.1.2 x64), Bridge CS6 (5.0.2.4 x64) and ACR 8.1 on a Windows 7 x64 8GB system, but the same omission existed on the same Windows system with ACR 7.x in CS6 and all releases of PsCS5, Bridge CS5 and ACR 6.6 and 6.7.
On the opening dialog of Bridge Preferences, at the bottom you can choose whether or not you wish to 'Hide Empty Fields'. Selecting or unselecting this option does not have any effect upon Bridge's inability to report WB when, from within Bridge, you select File Info from the File menu or by hitting Ctrl + I.
The only locations in Bridge Preferences I can find that need selection (and which I have selected) for Bridge to supply WB information upon invoking File Info are here:
Preferences\Metadata\Camera Data (Exif)\White Balance; and
Preferences\Metadata\Camera Raw\White Balance
I have also selected Preferences\Metadata\File Properties\Supports XMP, and yet Bridge fails to give the in-camera WB in the Camera Data tab of File Info.
I have been able to locate references to WB in the following tabs of File Info:
File Info\Advanced, where there appears, under the sub-tab 'Exif Properties (http://ns.adobe.com/exif/1.0)', an entry such as 'exif:White Balance:1'; and
File Info\Raw Data an entry such as '<exif:White Balance >1< /exif:White Balance>'.
However, these are just code numbers, not names like 'Cloudy' or 'Shade', and they are not only inconsistent (both showing the code 1 for an unedited image I know was shot with Auto WB and another unedited image I know was shot with Flash WB) but also it would appear that the codes may refer to the WB as modified by ACR - because an image I know had its in-camera WB of Auto altered in ACR shows a code of 'Custom' rather than 0, 1 or some other number.
So what am I missing? Does anyone know how to make Bridge Preferences display the in-camera setting for WB, and if so, under which tab of File Info do you look for the answer once you have set up Preferences properly?
Message was edited by: Andrew_Hart
Just corrected my current Photoshop version

I'm afraid that you just haven't addressed the question that I asked in my original post.
I still like to think I have but if you for whatever reason need this info showing in the metadata you probably be better of trying to alter it your self or find a way to address Paul personally (maybe via a private message).
I have not heard from him for a long time and a small google search provided me with this forum post, hope it helps you, maybe you can also persuaded Paul to come back, he is very missed!
http://www.ps-scripts.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5508

Does Aperture always apply white balance to RAW files?

Hi Aperture users,
I have been an Aperture user for many years. Aperture handles the white balance of my Canon XTi RAW files just as I want it to: it interprets the RAW data by applying the white balance selected at the time of the photo. I.e., when Aperture decodes the RAW file, it makes it look more-or-less like the in-camera JPG with respect to the white balance.
However, in the past several months, many well-known contributors of this forum have stated "RAW is RAW -- Aperture will not apply any camera settings." This statement was made in response to many "novice" questions about why a RAW photo in Aperture did not look anything like the JPG from the camera.
So, my questions:
Does anyone have a camera to whose RAW files Aperture does not apply in-camera white balance settings?
Does everyone else agree that this exception to "RAW is RAW" is acceptable?
thanks,
nathan

Hi Nathan -- I was hoping someone much more informed than me would weigh in with some engineering truth. All I got on offer is the thin gruel of observation.
Mr Endo wrote:
So, my questions:
Does anyone have a camera to whose RAW files Aperture does not apply in-camera white balance settings?
Does everyone else agree that this exception to "RAW is RAW" is acceptable?
1. I don't. RAW is sensor data. Most cameras record the White Balance camera setting as a metadata tag attached to the RAW data (The WB has no effect at all on the captured data.) Most RAW converters use this setting as the default WB. Some RAW converters perform "colorimetric interpretation" -- they basically compare the data captured to a generic color space and assign a WB. (This is, I assume, the same thing a camera set to "Auto WB" does. My camera is superb at assigning a WB for any mixed scene; it's repeatably bad, though, whenever the actual scene is truly colored (meaning "away from average").) In both cases -- 1. using the attached-to-the-RAW-data WB, and 2. analyzing the captured data to intelligently predict the WB -- a WB is applied to the RAW data. It has to be, in order to produce an image from the data.
2. The problem here isn't that this is an exception -- it's that different people mean different things when they say "RAW". The RAW data is RAW data. As above, the WB setting has no effect on it. But the image derived from the data -- any image produced from the data -- much have a WB set (and, for human use, a tone-curve applied). Some people mistaken think that RAW is an image format, or that the image produced by the RAW converter is a "RAW" image. It is not. RAW data must be converted to an image format in order to be displayed as an image. The conversion must apply a WB.
I have found it useful (though perhaps mistaken) to conceive of my data-gathering to picture-making as following these steps:
. Capture a pattern of light. This is just data.
. Convert the data to an image. RAW conversion done by Aperture. (NB: the settings for this can be changed.)
. Adjust the image to my artistic satisfaction
. Convert the adjusted image to an image format file
. Publish the image-format file in one or two now standard forms: to be viewed on a computer monitor, or as a print.
I mention only because at some point I consciously added the "Convert data to image" step in order to better grasp the process. RAW data is RAW data -- but that step identifies an intermediate that many overlook. At that step the information recorded along with the RAW data and stored in the RAW file is applied to the RAW data.
To me, "RAW is RAW" is correct. "Aperture will not apply any camera settings," is wrong.
I am happy for any clarifications or corrections.

Adding White Balance To Raw Images

Does anyone know how to add a custom white balance to a raw image using Photoshop Elements 2?
Thanks,
John

The only way to work with RAW in PE 2 is if someone created a plug-in specifically for your camera's RAW files. For instance, for my Minolta RAW files, I used Dalibor's .MRW plug-in for PE 2. But there's nothing built-in in PE 2 that understands RAW. ACR appeared with PE 3.

White balance and RAW

I have been importing RAW files from my Canon S70 for a while, and everything has worked very well. Recently, however, imported RAW files are showing up with the incorrect white balance in iPhoto (different from the one they were taken with on the camera). If I open the same RAW file in any other editor the correct white balance is displayed. Does anyone know how I might fix this?
The weird part is that it didn't used to do this--iPhoto used to display all my RAW files w/ the white balance they were taken with. It was nice because I could just export JPGs directly. Now, however, I have to open them up in another editor and export so they have the correct WB.
Any help would be great, thanks.

Heya Black eyes,
I've never heard of this one before except in an instance where the person was using Photoshop CS to edit the files right after importing them into iPhoto (Photoshop was adding its own colorprofile and throwing off poor iphoto).
Consider removing ~/library/caches, and ~/library/preferences/com.apple.iphoto.plist, and ~/pictures/iphotolibrary/albumdata.xml to the trash.
Restart your computer.
Test iPhoto - does the issue persist?
If so then try creating a new iphoto library by launching iphoto with the option key.
Import from your camera to there.
If it works then your original iphoto library needs to be rebuilt following kbase 107947 and using all 4 options.
If not then I would make sure that the color sync profiles on your system as a whole have not been changed.
Hope that helps!
Cheers!

Lightroom seems to auto white balance on RAW files

Hi, I started using Canon RAW files and noted that in Lightroom, it will render a preview and change the original photo colour etc. Is this normal and how to I switch this auto rendering off?
For JPG, it doesn't seems to do that...
Thanks!

When you import, one of the options is "Develop Settings" (the Import Photos dialogue box, below the list of pictures it's going to import, in an area labelled "Information to Apply"). Unless you have something other than "None", then I don't think it alters the WB, though I could be wrong. Of course, if you apply a Develop Setting then all bets are off - the preset could do anything.
As for Auto Tone, go to Edit menu, Preferences, Presets tab, and check (or not, as you prefer) the Apply auto tone adjustments option. But that shouldn't alter white balance or colour.

Premiere Elements 13 Eyedropper for white balance, gray, and black NOT WORKING. Help!

I'm using Premiere Elements 13.1 on an iMac, and trying to adjust the white balance on a clip with ZERO success. The main reason for this is that I cannot utilize the "eyedropper" selector; I know what should appear white, gray, and black, but cannot select those items.
In the Three-Way Color Corrector there are Eyedroppers to use to specify areas of known color range. I have tried without success to select ANY of the eyedroppers...
I have clicked on it - NOTHING
I have held the left mouse on it and attempted to drag it onto the frame - NOTHING
I have right-clicked it - NOTHING
The eyedroppers are not greyed out and they do respond when clicked. I have hit Reset button galore. I have restarted the program.
I have held my mouth funny - NOTHING :-)
When my cursor is hovering over the tool, it changes to an eyedropper. If I click, nothing happens when the cursor is moved - the cursor changes right back into its regular arrow shape. The cursor does nothing to the image if an item is clicked....there is no change to anything on the monitor.
I am a longtime Photoshop user but new to Premiere Elements. This dropper seems to work nothing like the PS ones. In fact, it doesn't work at all...so far.
Can someone please tell me what I need to do to simply select the eyedropper and take it onto the image and select the white (or gray or black)??? Before I go bananas (may be too late)? THANK YOU!

Still not working. I think the root cause of the problem is the mechanics of using the tool itself; I hope this screen shot shows up below ...
Here I have APPLIED EFFECTS open, and have selected Midtones (Greys) to be expanded so that the eyedropper and other details appear:
Now, just below where it has a box and "Impacted frame area in white" (which I know is a checkbox allowing the area effected to be seen), there is a little color box and an eyedropper.
What EXACTLY do I do to select (activate) the eyedropper and subsequently tell the program what I feel should be grey in the selected clip?
As mentioned before, I can click it and the cursor briefly changes to the same shape as the eyedropper. But as soon as I move the cursor a fraction, it changes back to an arrow (normal cursor) shape. Even then, going to the area I need to select in the image, and then clicking it, does exactly nothing to the appearance of the image shown -- even if the colors start way off. No correction at all. It is as if the tool does nothing. The color wheels below all this DO work however - it's just the eyedropper that doesn't do anything. This just cannot be Adobe's intention. I am convinced there must be some flaw in how I am selecting the tool itself. And the user guide - needless to say - is worthless in explaining the mechanics.
So very frustrating. This appears to be the only thing wrong with the program - nothing else seems amiss.
NOTE: To add insult to injury, this promised white/gray/black balance feature and the three-way-color corrector is the SOLE REASON I purchased the software. Funny.

Eye drop tool for white balance

It has been requested an eye drop tool to correct white balance issues in color correction for a long time. Is there any news on this? Will it be a new feature in upcoming updates?
If not... does anyone know a plugin that will do the same thing?
Short description:
I want to be able to select which colors are supposed to be white with an eye drop tool during color correction. This feature was available in earlier FCPs like 6 and 7. It saves tons of hours being able to auto adjust the whitebalance in post, rather than trying to match the correct color balance - dragging up and down these color circles, and then matching the color settings throughout the whole project.

The Color Corrector in FCPX is a misnomer. The color board is more about grading - not correcting.
If you can tell how the color is casting (or read the scopes) then the Color board is easy: line up the global control over the color and drag it downward (that will "subtract" the offending cast from the image.) Or use the shadows, midtones, and highlights controls individually for those ranges.
[But I find scopes difficult to use quickly, so:]
You can also use *any* of the effects, titles, or generators that have any color parameter selection (or gradient!) as an eyedropper in a pinch. Click on the swatch for the color parameter and from the pop up dialog (color picker), use the Magnifier (top left corner) and choose any pixel on the canvas (or anywhere else for that matter.) That will give you clear indication which primary elements are "too heavy" (red, green, blue -- or any two with greater value than the minimum) Using the HSB sliders mode (second icon and last on the dropdown) will give you the degree angle (which is what the color board uses) of the hue cast and the Saturation value will give you an indication of the "magnitude" of the cast. Move the appropriate control in the color board to the Hue degree and subtract the % shown by saturation -- and you're "white balanced" (I should say: neutral.) [PS, if you're not going to be using the effect, etc -- simply disable it by clicking on the blue rectangle -- you'll still be able to use the color picker -- and whatever the effect is won't interfere with your color edits.]
If you have Motion, you can build an "eyedropper" quickly by drawing a rectangle, setting the fill opacity to 0 and publishing its fill color -- it can be an effect, a title or most easily: a generator. Titles and generators are most easily dragged around the storyline and don't become "part of" a clip. If you don't have Motion, you can download one here: http://sight-creations.com/fxexchange/eyeDropperAssist.zip (a generator.)

White balance camera raw

When I open a raw image in camera raw, the white balance sliders are alread at their maximum, making it impossible to improve the image. Teh default white balance window appears as "as shot".

Try clicking on the pull-down menu to the right of “As Shot” and then choose another WB type or choose custom.

Fine tuning for White Balance has disappeared from adjustments

Went to edit photos this morning only to find I could not change White Balance. The label is there, but that is all. I did a hard reset, permissions repair, re-install latest update, restarted numerous times....still not there.

Yes, other edit options are fine, and I have used Aperture consistently for over two years, have never had this happen before. Here is what I am looking at.

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I just started using a Whibal card, and have a number of high ISO images that I'm having a hard time correcting in Aperture. Because of the grain, the white balance varies widely as I move my dropper across the card.
Whether I use a white balance reference or not, how are others extrapolating gray data across multiple pixels in an image in Aperture?
In the future, can I take a low ISO shot of a white balance reference area, even if it is out of focus or exhibits camera shake across that area?

Yes, you can take a lower ISO shot with motion blur and get your white balance settings that way.
I'm surprised though that with the grainy area it would make such a difference that you can't even get an accurate white balance number.

Using white point for White Balance (instead of gray point)

Dear All,
I am looking to buy Aperture 2.0, but one point annoys me a bit : it seems that we can only use gray point to make a White Balance. I use to use only white points in Photoshop, as my photos of products rarely include gray colors. I take the photos on white background only, and when doing WB with a white point, my product gets nice colors, and more important, appears to "float" on a totally white background.
Also, I do not want to bother with a gray card, as by experience it didn't prove to be as effective.
My question is : is there any means or plug-in to use white point to make a white balance ?
Thanks a lot !
Arn'

Arn,
Hate to break it to you but.... It doesn't matter if you use white or grey as long as the actual color is neutral (no tendency towards blue etc.) what does matter regarding white is to make sure that there is enough color information in all the color channels to make an accurate assessment of the color of the light in the scene.
As there are a million ways to do something in PS I don;t know exactly what you are doing but it sure sounds like you are actually doing a couple of things to the image in one step. In Aperture if I assume you are using the white balance control brick to manipulate white balance that is the only thing that is being changed - nothing else (like the contrast).
RB

Can you select different areas for white balance?

LR3.4
I have a whole selection of photos that were taken at an event where there was 2 types of lighting, so the people in the back of the shots have a warm orangey glow and the people at the front have the day light. What would be ideal would be the option to adjust the white balance on 2 separate areas, but I can't seem to find this in Lightroom? is it possible or will I need to export 2 versions and merge in photoshop etc?

This is possible in Lightroom 4 by using the Paint with WB in the Adjustment Brush or the Graduated Filter tool.
In Lightroom 3, you can 'fake' it by painting with a bluish or orange tint at about 5-10% saturation of the color swatch. Matt Kloskowski had a video on it a couple of years ago. Not the best solution but yet another reason to upgrade (unless you are using XP)

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