Insane object error causes LabVIEW 6.0.2 to quit (crash)

When I made a small modification of the wiring diagram and try to save the vi, the insane object error comes up and trashed all the modification. If I restart LabVIEW and apply the same modification, I can usually save the vi without problem. But next time when a new modification is made, LabVIEW would crash again when I try to save the vi. I am running LabVIEW 6.0.2 under Windows 2000.

I have seen the same error as well. It has occured during edit sessions (attempts) on very large (complicated) diagrams when my video settings were at 1600x1200. I have discovered that the errors seem to be related to the video resolution settings AND the size of the block diagram. I have a Gateway twin-cpu workstation with a 1x AGP video card with 16MB of RAM; however, the problem only occurs at high resolution settings. If I set the video to 1024x768, the errors stop occuring. For those applications that require high-res settings, I code at low resolution, close the diagram, change to high resolution, and can work on the front panel with no problems.
PS...
I was able to freeze the screen during one of the failures and found that all of the objects were literal
ly extruded to the same heigth as the wires -- it was really bizarre! The computer was "locked up" so that a screen shot was not possible. I called NI tech support and was told it was a "most likely" a video card problem.

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I liked how LV 7.1 HMI wizard automatically created code that I could unlock and modify as I needed. It seems that the HMI wizard was eliminated from the DSC module of LV 8.0 and 8.2. There were several other major changes in the behavior of the DSC module from 7.1 to 8.0 which I am still trying to learn.
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Is any other LV8.2 user having problems with customizing controls?
I have only needed to do this today since the upgrade to 8.2, and am having a hard time. I have yet to come up with an exact method to reproduce this, but it's getting to be a big problem, as LV crashes about 60% of the time when I'm editing controls.
Is this a known issue? I did some digging but didn't find anything specific to my problem. I never had this problem with 7.1 (same hardware in my PC).
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I had a similar error message come up in the jump from LV 7.1 to LV 8.0. It would cause a couple of hard crashes of Labview whenever I worked with one particular VI. I found it was related to a wizard lock control that I had created in LV7.1 using the HMI Wizard options of my DSC module. I actually had two such loops in my original program, one behaved, the other caused problems in the upgrade of the VI to LV 8.0.
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I think the most complete discussion of this situation can be found in the NI KnowledgeBase. Just go to the main ni.com site, search for "insane object" and follow the first hit.
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http://digital.ni.com/public.nsf/allkb/AFA28DCC3DE89839862566B200594E8C
does not resolve this issue. Even when I close the VI & re-open it, I get the following error message:
I tried doing dozens of undo edits of the last 10 or 20 changes. None of them work. None of the suggested fixes work at all, either.
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Hi Greg,
Thanks for your reply. It sounds like you've been on both ends of a serious error/crash resulting in code loss before.
As Murphy's Law would have it, it happened right before quitting time.
I decided to stick it out & make it a late night while I remembered most of my changes.
I quit & restarted LabVIEW, pulled the VI from a backup done the day before, opened up the backup version of the VI, opened up the bad code, and tried pasting changes in. However, I soon got oodles of "insane object" errors, and gave up on this route.
I quit & restarted LV, opened up the backed up VI, opened the bad new VI on a 2nd monitor (after configuring the display etc.), and manually re-drew (i.e., "re-wrote") all my code just by inspection.
This worked. (To play it safe, I also forced a system backup before going home, and saved lots of revs. along the way during my edits.)
I rarely have experienced "insane object" errors in my 10+ years of LabVIEW programming. Therefore, I have used little of other languages the past 10 years, and have developed so much re-usable code that I know well, I don't want to move away from it. It is quite unsettling / scary when it happens, especially on a large program. It makes me consider going back to text-based programming, where at least there's some inspection of all but the most messed up files (vim/binary mode, for example).
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Why does the error message "insane object at BDHP+7404 in the VI(GRAPHICS)0X80;(wire segment)WIRE."show up

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Hello!
I don't know why in just yesterday appear in one of my VI an alert message or error message when i want to close oer save the VI.
The message is like the following one:
Insane object at BDHP + 93ACC in "Vi name's": {graphics} (0x80}: Front Panel Terminal (Term)
I don't know why now it appears this message because i have no modify the Vi.
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Hi!!! I copy and paste from an NI engineer post asking about what is the "insane object" problem:
This message means that an object in LabVIEW such as a wire or a loop tunnel does not pass an internal test known as a sanity check. If the errors are serious enough, LabVIEW exits because something has become very corrupted. Sanity checks occur before each save, to ensure that corrupted VIs are not written over good VIs. They also happen as part of the compile process. Thus, sanity checks happen frequently. Many insanities are actually fixed (made sane) after the dialog box appears and will not appear again, so the first thing you should do after receiving an insane object error is to try to make a backup copy of the VI, run it, and perform some additional editing to see if the problem was resolved automatically.
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Jaime
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Well copying the code to a new blank VI didn't work for me (and it also would have unlocked my state diagram anyways). What _did_ work was to create a copy of the VI, and delete chunks and save until the error went away. I managed to get lucky (with some deduction) and find the offending wires. Is there no way of giving us more information than the heap offset? (Is there any way to use this number to find the offending object?)
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