Insert or Cut Time and move automation data - how to do it?

Hi when I cut or insert time it moves the regions but not the automation data. I have tried switching nn 'move automation with regions' but it doesn't move the automation that goes past the end f regions eg plug in settings like delay feedbacks etc.
a) this seems to me to be really crazy - why if you had done a lot of detailed automation programming at the end of a song would you not want it to move if you cut 4 bars from earlier on in the song?
any ideas appreciated very much!!
best
tommy b

after using logic for years I have discovered a new bit and something very weird.
New Bit:
As well as Cut/Insert Time in the Region Menu
there is a Cut/Insert Time in the Edit menu.
if I start here:
http://www.applebananacarrot.com/downloads/pre.jpg
if I do the region Cut ( from the region menu on the arrange window):
look what happens to the automation data on track 21
http://www.applebananacarrot.com/downloads/postregioncut.jpg (track 21 data didn't move)
and compare it to this one doing everything else the same but using the Cut from the main logic edit menu.
http://www.applebananacarrot.com/downloads/posteditcut.jpg Track 21 automation data did move.
That to me seems wrong....
whaddya think?
best
tommy banana

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