Install OS9 on G5 running OS 10.4--need advice

I had to erase my HD on my back up G5 and start over because I had tried everything--Disk Doctor, etc. to try to boot and it just couldn't find my start up drive. Luckily I was able to back up all of my files.
Now I'm reloading my software and am having trouble. I have an original copy of Quark 4.1 and upgrades beyond that all the way through version 6. So I have start with Quark 4.1 and install that, then sequentially install the upgrades. When I try to do so it tells me it can't find a volume of OS9 on the HD. What should I do? I don't want to mess up my drive in anyway.
I always have the option of telling my copy I need a full version of 7. I don't really use Quark anymore anyway. I use InDesign now, but have a lot of old Quark files I need to be able to access just in case.

You need to find your original G5 installer disks to install 9 on your G5 using the restore directions below:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61802
Norton Disk Doctor is unsafe to use on any machine with Mac OS X and should really be tossed out.
Backup your data frequently so if you do have to wipe your data again, you can just restore your backup as my FAQ* explains:
http://www.macmaps.com/backup.html
- * Links to my page may give me compensation.

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I'm not quite sure of some of the terms you have used - a bit technical for me: "use a Mac formatted drive or FireWire Target Disk mode" - What are these?
And I'm not quite sure what these are: "move the items 'Applications (Mac OS 9)' and 'System Folder' to the eMac's internal drive, open the Classic pane of System Preferences, and specify that system."
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So next problem, I restart and hold down Option, but the USB Apple keyboard doesn't seem to like key combinations because about 20 times in a row I keep rebooting back to the CD drive. My old ADB keyboard was never this unresponsive. Furthermore, how on earth do you force the CD to eject of these button-less towers? I finally managed it by holding the mouse down, but that only works in certain circumstances.
OK, so I figure I need to drag and drop an entire OS9 System Folder from my other G4 QS via an external drive over USB. That was successful, and now Startup Disk in the system sees an OS9 startup option as well as an OSX on the SCSI boot drive. so I figure I'm in business and select OS9 and restart. Now I'm in a whole world of pain! I'm greeted with the flashing '?' icon at boot up because clearly it cannot find the system. Well, you'd think that after a while it would just give up and start from OSX which is obviously sitting there waiting. Well NO! It just flashes forever. No amount of reboots will get it off this. I tried all sort of key combinations, but they don't seem to work, until cmd-x seemed to do it. However a couple of hours were wasted. It's also annoying not having a good old-fashioned restart button on my keyboard.
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Well, I can confirm that that worked, however it was not as intuitive as it should have been, and can easily be overlooked.
Basically when you install Tiger and click on the Options box it allows you perform a 'Clean Install', and 'Erase Disk' etc where you are given only one option for formatting: Unix or HFS+ Journaling. At no point does it present you with an option to install OS9 drivers, and neither does it install them by default!
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Tammy in MO wrote:
... I have my original disks. I have a MDD Power Mac G4. It came with 10.2 and was able to run in classic or boot into OS9. ...
Do I need to reinstall 10.2.xxx and completely restore that hard drive ...
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