Installing Arch with a rt2500 wireless card [resolved]
Well, is it possible or am I boned? Seems like the rt2500 drivers are beta and I can't seem to find realtek 8180 wireless drivers. I was going to just do an FTP install; is there anyway to stick the module in /addons or something? Should I just install the system from cd and load the module on a cd then install the module and load it from there?
I'm not really familiar with the way /addons works. It seems to just be a *.tar.bz2 that has a directory structure containing modules that extracts to /lib. Am I correct in assuming this? If so can I just tar up the rt2x00beta or rtl8010 driver from pacman and insert it into /addons on the iso and reburn?
Thanks in advance!
Edit: I've exausted all my ideas, as these are the only ethernet adapters I have access to on this machine. I tryed installing the system and moving the drivers from pacman over, but they were compiled for a different kernel. I'm going to try moving sources over next.
I finally resolved my issue; albeit a messy resolution. Basically what I did was a basic install from CD. After the installation I downloaded a CVS snapshot of the rt2500 sources from http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page. I proceeded to make a 7zip archive of the sources and put them on a floppy. Moved the floppy over and did a "make" "make install" followed by a "modprobe rt2500".
After that I did the basic wireless setup "ifconfig ra0 up" "iwlist ra0 scan" and at long last I behold my access point.
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Thanks!Olnex wrote:
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